MotoGP 2012

[tail_end_charlie]

Have you been watching ''Cowboy builders'' on the box? Perhaps we could also have ''Cowboy suspension shops''

If we have "Cowboy Suspension Shops" then we're gonna need some "Cowboy Race Fairing Shops" to go along with it. Sounds like a good buisness venture for someone.......

[denill]

Simply Stunning:

[denill]

And Someone Here Said The Race Was Boring:

[tail_end_charlie]

And Somone Here Said The Race Was Boring:

Yeah, I thought the battle for fourth place was pretty good. Pretty much a pass by someone every lap. I would make some comment on how there wasn't as much action and in Moto2 and Moto3 (and I'm pretty sure I would be right) but I haven't actually watched those races yet.

MotoGP isn't as action packed as the lower two classes, but it is definitely a spectical to watch Casey, Jorge and Dani go around the track. Especially Casey at PI, I should have been there in person.

[merv]

Funny, but no one seemed to complain here many years ago that it was boring when the likes of Croz, Dave Hiscock, or Robert Holden streaked away ahead of a field of competitors. It all just depends on who your hero is or what your favourite brand is that makes you decide whether it was boring or not. Another case in point is moto-x where margins between riders can get huge, but if its your favourite winning, then no worries. To see the masters race even well out front is never boring in my view.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Did everyone see that Stoner turned down $15M to do another season for Honda? Yeah, nah he said, I'm over it. They say its more than they offered Jensen Button in F1!

Good man.

http://www.news.com.au/top-stories/f...-1226505102230

[Tony.OK]

Did everyone see that Stoner turned down $15M to do another season for Honda? Yeah, nah he said, I'm over it. They say its more than they offered Jensen Button in F1!

Good man.

http://www.news.com.au/top-stories/f...-1226505102230

Well that to me speaks volumes about his true character..................good for him!

[denill]

MotoGP isn't as action packed as the lower two classes, but it is definitely a spectical to watch Casey, Jorge and Dani go around the track. Especially Casey at PI, I should have been there in person.

The efforts to make MotoGP racing closer is never going to work (like control tyres, ECUs etc) - as even with those 'levelling' devices in place and in spite of them, there will only be so many talented riders, (called Aliens) who are able to handle the power.

Unlike the smaller classes - where there are a greater percentage of riders who can get the maximum from those machines. Thus, close racing.

[denill]

The efforts to make MotoGP racing closer is never going to work (like control tyres, ECUs etc) - as even with those 'levelling' devices in place and in spite of them, there will only be so many talented riders, (called Aliens) who are able to handle the power.

And they will soon be losing one of the Aliens.

Maybe with another resuming that status next year.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Another incredibly boring motogp race. Series needs some serious rule changes.

Really good interview with Jerry Burgess in the latest (Nov) Performance Bikes: Rule changes are silly, ECU controls will not work. Need tyre competition. Ducati didnt support us properly and didnt test properly.

Very interesting.

[denill]

Rule changes are silly, ECU controls will not work. Need tyre competition.

Don't know if you read what I wrote earlier. But there will not be close racing (as in Moto3 & Moto2) unless MotoGP is dumbed down. It's not the fault of the bikes - its the fault of the aliens. They're just tooooo good and so much better than the ordinary mortals.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Don't know if you read what I wrote earlier. But there will not be close racing (as in Moto3 & Moto2) unless MotoGP is dumbed down. It's not the fault of the bikes - its the fault of the aliens. They're just tooooo good and so much better than the ordinary mortals.

I did, and I'm not sure I agree that you're looking at it the right way. MotoGP is (or should be) an example of a positive feedback system. I think it worked at its best in the two stroke era when the series was awash with ciggy money. But the top factories spent the most, attracted the top talent, who made the bikes better (not just the riders but people like Burgess, Kanemoto etc) and the factories spent more and people loved that shit. Plus the series was awash in money so there were full grids and sure top riders bitched but there was lapping and all that fun stuff. But in any given year there were only three or four guys in with a chance of winning the series. Hell look at the mid 90's and it was all Aussies all the time including Doohan winning five times in a row. No one complained about boredom then!

The most controlled (and least interesting (to me anyway) forms of motorsport are things like NASCAR and the V Oight so called "super" cars aka taxi racing. The heavy hand of the series owners comes down whenever someone gets an advantage or even wins too many races: here have a 50kg weight penalty because you're better than these punters. Sure, its silhouette racing, and they are pukka bits of kit underneath the Corporate Cabs bodies, but its tedious as fuck. So tedious in fact that I only watch it for the crashes and skids. Which is not what motorsport is about.

I am not sure what the answer is for MotoGP, but I do know one thing: the current path is not tenable. Maybe make them all race two strokes again, no electronics?

[Robert Taylor]

The efforts to make MotoGP racing closer is never going to work (like control tyres, ECUs etc) - as even with those 'levelling' devices in place and in spite of them, there will only be so many talented riders, (called Aliens) who are able to handle the power.

Unlike the smaller classes - where there are a greater percentage of riders who can get the maximum from those machines. Thus, close racing.

Dont forget also that Honda have far more resources to maximise potential within the rules, and to lesser extent Yamaha. The cream usually rises to the top

[Robert Taylor]

I did, and I'm not sure I agree that you're looking at it the right way. MotoGP is (or should be) an example of a positive feedback system. I think it worked at its best in the two stroke era when the series was awash with ciggy money. But the top factories spent the most, attracted the top talent, who made the bikes better (not just the riders but people like Burgess, Kanemoto etc) and the factories spent more and people loved that shit. Plus the series was awash in money so there were full grids and sure top riders bitched but there was lapping and all that fun stuff. But in any given year there were only three or four guys in with a chance of winning the series. Hell look at the mid 90's and it was all Aussies all the time including Doohan winning five times in a row. No one complained about boredom then!

The most controlled (and least interesting (to me anyway) forms of motorsport are things like NASCAR and the V Oight so called "super" cars aka taxi racing. The heavy hand of the series owners comes down whenever someone gets an advantage or even wins too many races: here have a 50kg weight penalty because you're better than these punters. Sure, its silhouette racing, and they are pukka bits of kit underneath the Corporate Cabs bodies, but its tedious as fuck. So tedious in fact that I only watch it for the crashes and skids. Which is not what motorsport is about.

I am not sure what the answer is for MotoGP, but I do know one thing: the current path is not tenable. Maybe make them all race two strokes again, no electronics?

We live in an age of electronics, to not allow electronic controls ( and the development / advances that are eventually passed down to everyday bikes ) is in itself untenable.

Electronically controlled suspension ( for example ) with a different setting for every corner and throttle postion etc etc is a positive advance. Premier classes in part exist for such development.

[HenryDorsetCase]

We live in an age of electronics, to not allow electronic controls ( and the development / advances that are eventually passed down to everyday bikes ) is in itself untenable.

Electronically controlled suspension ( for example ) with a different setting for every corner and throttle postion etc etc is a positive advance. Premier classes in part exist for such development.

I agree, that last part about two strokes and no electronics was tongue in cheek. The way I read Burgess' comments, Honda (thru the manufacturers association (is it?) are largely responsible for the present mess. Death of the two stroke, capacity change, all of it. And no Kawasaki, Suzuki or any other manufacturer.