MotoGP 2012

[jellywrestler]

I've just come back from PI.

closest finish of the weekend? was it Aussie Superbikes?

[Crasherfromwayback]

closest finish of the weekend? was it Aussie Superbikes?

Didn't watch 'em sad as it is to say mate.

[Robert Taylor]

Skilled engineers I dont have a problem with. ...................(lol)


where are they found in nz, only retired ones i know of ?

can you name some ?

Sorry John ( (Adair ) Im not going to play your silly game.

[jellywrestler]

Didn't watch 'em sad as it is to say mate.

one thousandth of a second between first and second between Maxwell and Jamie Stauffer! In the earlier race Maxwell and Stauffer came together, Stauffer crashed would've been a great race to watch I reckon

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[wayne]

you are what you are robert PAYLOR, seen stoner is moaner .......

[Brett]

Rider ability is impossible to judge unless you give them all a season together on the same bikes. There are 2 or 3 GP boys that are a class above the rest.

Get rid of the electronics on the superbikes as well. Great for road users but these guys are professionals and should be able to handle these bikes without these systems helping them.

Never seen any bike racing live....that's not the point of the argument. People turn up to see the bikes not the racing. If they want to see racing they stay home and watch Moto 2

I would bet that if you chucked the likes of Rossi or Stoner on a Superbike with no electronic aids at all, they would still be winning races and sliding the bikes all over the show in a great spectacle. Don't be deceived, most of these riders are well versed in riding bikes with nothing more than rider input to keep them in their seats. Say what you will, but even with those aids, those prototype bikes are difficult to ride. Many of the MotoGP riders play around in different classes or ride "lesser" superbikes on the track all of the time, and yet speak of how much more difficult the GP bikes are to ride. Those guys are experts.

[Brett]

Of course it's not.

I agree mate...but the cunts that build the bikes want the electronics (the riders don't want 'em either)...so gonna be a tough nut to crack.

And all I can say is this...go to a GP while they're still full house prototypes. You won't regret it.

Agree. As you know, went to my first GP this year at PI...fucking brilliant. The sound of all of those bikes leaving the grid..... Would have loved to have seen the 500cc twosmokers too though.

[Robert Taylor]

you are what you are robert PAYLOR, seen stoner is moaner .......

Yes, no apologies for challenging your unproductive posts.

[BMWST?]

Yes, no apologies for challenging your unproductive posts.

Congrats to your boy Robert,wholly deserved

[Robert Taylor]

I would bet that if you chucked the likes of Rossi or Stoner on a Superbike with no electronic aids at all, they would still be winning races and sliding the bikes all over the show in a great spectacle. Don't be deceived, most of these riders are well versed in riding bikes with nothing more than rider input to keep them in their seats. Say what you will, but even with those aids, those prototype bikes are difficult to ride. Many of the MotoGP riders play around in different classes or ride "lesser" superbikes on the track all of the time, and yet speak of how much more difficult the GP bikes are to ride. Those guys are experts.

To a degree that is what I was trying to say in my somewhat brutal reply to a recent post that was decrying electronic aids. Recent experience with a new model of electronically controlled and high powered sportsbike really highlighted to me personally that traction control is in many ways a bandaid for other deficincies and / or undeveloped technologies that are currently banned in much of the racing world.

A customer bought such a bike in and commented that on any bumps from ''medium level'' upwards the trraction control was kicking in all the time. The reason for this was simple, the bike was oversprung for him and the internal compression and rebound valving was way way too stiff. We resprung and revalved, the end result is that the suspension is more supple so it will actually now move and absorb over such bumps, there is more grip, feel and rider confidence and also tyre life will improve markedly. AND the traction control is no longer constantly applying bandaids

So following that reasoning suspension that is active to every scenario is a logical development path, concentrating at the coalface rather than traction control bandaiding a poor end result. There is of course a place for traction control but there needs to be more development in other areas that are not constrained by reactionary rules.

[Maido]

http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2012/Nov/121105p12.htm

Seems to be hinting that the Ducati Junior team will need a large finance supplier. I wouldn't be supprised if their ray of light appears in the form of Brad Pitt.......

[merv]

Posted this one for you about Stoner - well worth a look - was great on my big TV http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...post1130428460

[Cleve]

Can I just say -
Great thread this whole big one - MotoGP 2012 - so convenient to have the one thread instead of hundreds about each race and each incident. Lets make a 2013 one from Valencia post race practice?

[denill]

Can I just say -
Great thread this whole big one - MotoGP 2012 - so convenient to have the one thread instead of hundreds about each race and each incident. Lets make a 2013 one from Valencia post race practice?

Yes, agree

[DidJit]

Me three.