MotoGP 2012

[Drew]

How would you know? Serious question. Not like he's turned the Honda to shit eh?

Good point actually. Only bike he's ridden that needed developed, was a losing battle with the manufacturer. The Honda was a get on and ride it 'cause it's good out of the box.

[pritch]

Did they ask Kats any questions at the interview for the podium finishers?? .

He answered in japanese -briefly- but there was a translation to the effect that it was all like a dream.

A big day all round really, son number two born, and then he gets on the podium. Brilliant!

[Crasherfromwayback]

Good point actually. Only bike he's ridden that needed developed, was a losing battle with the manufacturer. The Honda was a get on and ride it 'cause it's good out of the box.

Thing being, to me at least...I don't think you could ever be as good as he was without really knowing WTF the bike is actually doing and why.

[Drew]

Thing being, to me at least...I don't think you could ever be as good as he was without really knowing WTF the bike is actually doing and why.

Hmmm, there are those that feel it without having to understand I reckon.

Mike Hailwood, Anthony Gobert, Kevin Swantz, Noriuki Haga, to name a few. Others have ridden those fellas bikes, and gotten off shaking their heads in disbelief.

A development rider to pay stupid money for, 'feels' a bike like those fellas, but can analize it later.

[Shaun]

Good point actually. Only bike he's ridden that needed developed, was a losing battle with the manufacturer. The Honda was a get on and ride it 'cause it's good out of the box.

I think you would find that his feed back to the team would be full of details Drew, he rode with bugger all down tuning switched on with the electronics due to the fact that he had awsome feel, just like Rossi

Agree about the Honda though, look at Dani

Ducati just simply fuked it up, would love to have been a fly on the wall sometimes listenning to the arguments with management and JB


Re Development rider, neither Casey or Rossi are Technicians, they are riders who give feed back to there crew, there crew are the developers, development rider is just a terminology

[pritch]

I don't think any rider could "fix" the current Ducati. The design was wrong, and two years later still is.
Stoner's greatest claim to fame will be the fact that he was the only rider able to make it a winner.

We'll all be watching what the new crew of riders at Ducati will be able to achieve, but until the design changes...

But then the Italian press are reporting that Perziosi is on the way out, so we may get a new design sooner rather than later.

[denill]

I don't think any rider could "fix" the current Ducati. The design was wrong, and two years later still is.
Stoner's greatest claim to fame will be the fact that he was the only rider able to make it a winner.

We'll all be watching what the new crew of riders at Ducati will be able to achieve, but until the design changes...

But then the Italian press are reporting that Perziosi is on the way out, so we may get a new design sooner rather than later.

That J Burgess in 2 years made no improvement inroads whatsoever speaks volumes to that.

[Shaun]

I don't think any rider could "fix" the current Ducati. The design was wrong, and two years later still is.
Stoner's greatest claim to fame will be the fact that he was the only rider able to make it a winner.

We'll all be watching what the new crew of riders at Ducati will be able to achieve, but until the design changes...

But then the Italian press are reporting that Perziosi is on the way out, so we may get a new design sooner rather than later.

They have already commisioned SUTER? or someone to build them frames Pritch, I am guessing that att the test tomorrow a new bike will roll out for Dovi at least

[Crasherfromwayback]

I don't think any rider could "fix" the current Ducati. The design was wrong, and two years later still is.
Stoner's greatest claim to fame will be the fact that he was the only rider able to make it a winner.

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And that's kinda my point. Stoner was able to set it up good enough to win races on. So I figure he ain't half bad at it. Anyway...as you say, unless they radically change the thing...I feel sorry for next years crew!

[Drew]

They have already commisioned SUTER? or someone to build them frames Pritch, I am guessing that att the test tomorrow a new bike will roll out for Dovi at least

The resounding theme of commentary on the bike, seems to be the length of the thing from swingarm pivot to front axle. Not that I know anyone riding it, so I can only talk of what I've read.

So if that's all true, the engine configuration needs to be changed. If they haven't done that, I reckon they're pissing in the wond still.

[Shaun]

The resounding theme of commentary on the bike, seems to be the length of the thing from swingarm pivot to front axle. Not that I know anyone riding it, so I can only talk of what I've read.

So if that's all true, the engine configuration needs to be changed. If they haven't done that, I reckon they're pissing in the wond still.

Im not a chassis building technician either mate, so fuk knows really

[sugilite:Me]

Dunno. I'm just winding Roogazza up cause his mate can do no wrong! Awesome effort by Kats though. Shit...when was the last time a wildcard put it on the podium? Abe?

Bayliss won the last race of 2006 season at Valencia as a wild card?

[Crasherfromwayback]

Bayliss won the last race of 2006 season at Valencia as a wild card?

Of course! Should've remembered that epic ride! He's a bit of a cheater for a wc though having done a couple of full seasons worth of GP racing!

[Mental Trousers]

I don't think any rider could "fix" the current Ducati. The design was wrong, and two years later still is.
Stoner's greatest claim to fame will be the fact that he was the only rider able to make it a winner.

We'll all be watching what the new crew of riders at Ducati will be able to achieve, but until the design changes...

But then the Italian press are reporting that Perziosi is on the way out, so we may get a new design sooner rather than later.

The way to fix the Ducati is to fix Ducati (the company) first. Casey Stoner left because the bike he got at the start of the season is the same bike he ended the season with. They're too small and don't have the resources to continually develop a bike through the whole season. They did make multiple versions of the thing for Rossi, but to do that they had to pull in resources from elsewhere, ie can their WSBK team etc, and work ridiculous hours to do so.

Now that they have access to Audi things should work quite differently.

That J Burgess in 2 years made no improvement inroads whatsoever speaks volumes to that.

Personally I would've started bolting bits of lead to the thing in different places to see what felt better or worse. They tried fucking around with the swingarm, the chassis material, the chassis itself and a host of other things and most of those only made a minor difference. Bolting 5kg of lead to the top of the front head would've made a dramatic difference.

Push development in the right direction by showing them (in a very crude fashion) what they've failed to do, ie put the fucking weight here dammit!!

The resounding theme of commentary on the bike, seems to be the length of the thing from swingarm pivot to front axle. Not that I know anyone riding it, so I can only talk of what I've read.

So if that's all true, the engine configuration needs to be changed. If they haven't done that, I reckon they're pissing in the wond still.

They can keep the current engine configuration but still build something that works correctly. It's a matter of designing the entire thing so that the weight is in the right place - lead intake manifolds and carbon fibre sump maybe, put the oil reservoir for dry sump in the middle of the vee, there's other things too.

The easiest way is to use a narrow vee angle though.

I reckon Dovi has got in at a bloody good time.

[Shaun]

Personally I would've started bolting bits of lead to the thing in different places to see what felt better or worse. They tried fucking around with the swingarm, the chassis material, the chassis itself and a host of other things and most of those only made a minor difference. Bolting 5kg of lead to the top of the front head would've made a dramatic difference.

Push development in the right direction by showing them (in a very crude fashion) what they've failed to do, ie put the fucking weight here dammit!!



They can keep the current engine configuration but still build something that works correctly. It's a matter of designing the entire thing so that the weight is in the right place - lead intake manifolds and carbon fibre sump maybe, put the oil reservoir for dry sump in the middle of the vee, there's other things too.

The easiest way is to use a narrow vee angle though.

I reckon Dovi has got in at a bloody good time.

Serious Mental ( With a hint a scarcasim) do you not think the proffessionals that have PROVEN history and are paid mega bucks would not have tried your $5 fix if that was all it was gunna take?

Reading stuff and thinking about it is healthy, but dont start taking your self to seriously dude untill you have the experience and proven history as a machine builder or have been a test rider for a proffesional team