MotoGP 2012

**Crasherfromwayback** · 19th December 2012, 16:28

Originally Posted by Maido

Hmm, I seem to remember sticking up for Stoner in a previous post saying how his reasoning for being angry at Valentino for that Laguna pass was because he passed him on the other side of the white line which is exactly where he is in this shot.

Problem with that is...It's actually leaving the track and gaining an advantage that's against the rules. Which is what Rossi actually did. Stoner is still well and truly on the track there.

**bogan** · 19th December 2012, 16:56

Originally Posted by Crasherfromwayback

Problem with that is...It's actually leaving the track and gaining an advantage that's against the rules. Which is what Rossi actually did. Stoner is still well and truly on the track there.

Not quite that clear cut. From this angle it looks like rossi out braked himself, and was forced to either cut the corner and push stoner out (who was coming up fast because rossi had less corner speed), turn more to avoid cutting the corner and place himself firmly in stoner's path (doubt either would have stayed on) or biff it into the gravel. He wouldn't be a racer if he chose the later, and of the other two options he chose the right one imo.

As far as the rules go, it could be argued the advantage was gained before leaving the track, and that advantage was narrowing (and furthur diminished) when he went off a little bit.

Just a racing incident which is bloody hard to call imo. One of the times the losing rider need to suck it up and accept the officials decision... Course the media probably influenced things a bit, officials perhaps more likely to side with Rossi cos he sells tickets, and after the fact, probably skewing the reporting angle to focus on Stoner whining like a little bitch

**Crasherfromwayback** · 19th December 2012, 17:30

Originally Posted by bogan

Not quite that clear cut. From this angle it looks like rossi out braked himself, and was forced to either cut the corner and push stoner out (who was coming up fast because rossi had less corner speed), turn more to avoid cutting the corner and place himself firmly in stoner's path (doubt either would have stayed on) or biff it into the gravel. He wouldn't be a racer if he chose the later, and of the other two options he chose the right one imo.

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Nah mate. You're correct in saying Rossi got in way too hot. No way he could've turned it in time. But he only did what any real racer would've as you say. But it was still, as far as the actual rules go...outside of them. There is no doubt about that in my mind. But I would've done the same mate! Rossi is THE best at that type of racing maybe ever. The others should know not to get into an out and out scrap with him. Stoner himself probably knew he needed to get past and fuck off...he simply couldn't do it and was obviously getting frustrated. Score to Rossi!

**onearmedbandit** · 19th December 2012, 21:41

Originally Posted by Crasherfromwayback

Yeah how many times did Rossi chuck the Ducati down the road? Didn't they used to call Stoner a crasher? Goes to show eh...until you know what he was up against...

Wasn't he chucking it away before his Ducati days?

**GD66** · 20th December 2012, 03:05

I read somewhere a while back that Cecchinello said the reason he biffed the LCR Honda a few times ( most notably that jawdropping endo at Mugello !) was that he found it difficult to accept with the slight handicap of being on a B-spec bike and B-spec tyres he still couldn't quite ride a bit harder to match the quick times. Cecchinello loved him, and in spite of coming out with a chat very seldom, his longterm wrench Christian Gabbarini waxed lyrical about his talents towards the end of his career. Personally I don't give a rats about riders' supposed personalities or popularity with the helmet off, but watching Stoner at work towards the end of qualifying is the most sphincter-tightening, eye-popping experience I've had in 50 years of watching bike racing !

**Crasherfromwayback** · 20th December 2012, 06:45

Originally Posted by onearmedbandit

Wasn't he chucking it away before his Ducati days?

As a learner in the Moto GP class on customer tyres he had a few. Who doesn't when they step up? You remember Lorenzo's first season on Moto GP? But anyone that tries to be competitive on a non competitive bike will crash a fair bit regardless.

**Drew** · 20th December 2012, 06:48

Originally Posted by Crasherfromwayback

But anyone that tries to be competitive on a non competitive bike will crash a fair bit regardless.

Hmmmm, where the fuck were you when I was destroying the 749r monthly aye cunt?

**Crasherfromwayback** · 20th December 2012, 06:55

Originally Posted by Drew

Hmmmm, where the fuck were you when I was destroying the 749r monthly aye cunt?

Dunno. How many times did Hopkins fuck himself up on the Suzuki/Kawasaki too? Aren't 749's chicks bikes?

**Drew** · 20th December 2012, 06:58

Originally Posted by Crasherfromwayback

Dunno. How many times did Hopkins fuck himself up on the Suzuki/Kawasaki too? Aren't 749's chicks bikes?

Supersport is for chicks, so yes. Superbike is where it's at, I only chucked that away once!

**Deano** · 20th December 2012, 13:32

Originally Posted by Drew

Supersport is for chicks, so yes. Superbike is where it's at, I only chucked that away once!

I'll never forget you saying you thought you must have knocked yourself out cause you thought the marshals had already come and collected your bike. But no, it was just over the fence out of sight. Bwahahaha

**denill** · 28th January 2013, 11:47

Stoner suffered a broken ankle last year but insists his decision to retire has nothing to do with injuries. "We got spat at [by fans], they tried to knock us off scooters going from the motor homes to the pits" He added: "We lost a rider a couple of years ago, and within a month it was like it never happened. They want to see biff and barge and they don't realise our lives are on the line."

**pritch** · 28th January 2013, 12:27

Originally Posted by denill

Stoner suffered a broken ankle last year but insists his decision to retire has nothing to do with injuries. "We got spat at [by fans], they tried to knock us off scooters going from the motor homes to the pits" He added: "We lost a rider a couple of years ago, and within a month it was like it never happened. They want to see biff and barge and they don't realise our lives are on the line."

Yeah I read that. I note that others have taken issue with the one month statement which does seem a bit hard.

**roogazza** · 28th January 2013, 18:45

Originally Posted by denill

Stoner suffered a broken ankle last year but insists his decision to retire has nothing to do with injuries. "We got spat at [by fans], they tried to knock us off scooters going from the motor homes to the pits" He added: "We lost a rider a couple of years ago, and within a month it was like it never happened. They want to see biff and barge and they don't realise our lives are on the line."

I'm beginning to think he's about 10 years late at 27 to learn when to open the gob and who to ? Maybe it was the way he grew up and missed something ?
I can't help but think Bill, that some Aussie is going to give him a bunch of fives if this continues in car racing ?
Great rider, but hell, respect ????? !!!!

**Oscar** · 29th January 2013, 08:18

Originally Posted by roogazza

I'm beginning to think he's about 10 years late at 27 to learn when to open the gob and who to ? Maybe it was the way he grew up and missed something ?
I can't help but think Bill, that some Aussie is going to give him a bunch of fives if this continues in car racing ?
Great rider, but hell respect ????? !!!!

Respect is a two way street.
Whiners don't get much respect.