MotoGP 2012

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Carmelo Ezpeleta talked to Dennis Noyes: And I reckon he is making the best choices for the conundrum he is faced with. Not ideal but necessary.

Yeah, necessary thanks to that bunch of idjits called the MSMA. Things could have been soooo much different if they'd been a lil' more forward thinking.

[cmoore]

It sounds a bit pussy......but i tend to agree, Im not sure top speed makes for better racing....and having hit 200+ k once or twice I have no idea how these guys can race at 300+....amazing


One item of concern for Lorenzo in the new 1000cc era is the higher top speeds the powerful prototypes are able to reach. He believes there should be a line drawn at the maximum attainable speed in competition:

"It's unlikely that a crash will occur at 340 or 350kph in a straight line, but if it did, it would be almost impossible not to have serious consequences, so for me there’s no need to go 350kph in a straight line. I think 310, 320kph is more than enough speed to race at; Speed doesn’t make the race, what we wanted the last few years was more of a show for the fans, but I think there is a limit. We’ve reached 350kph. I think it’s too much," concluded Lorenzo.

[Cleve]

It sounds a bit pussy......but i tend to agree, Im not sure top speed makes for better racing....and having hit 200+ k once or twice I have no idea how these guys can race at 300+....amazing


One item of concern for Lorenzo in the new 1000cc era is the higher top speeds the powerful prototypes are able to reach. He believes there should be a line drawn at the maximum attainable speed in competition:

"It's unlikely that a crash will occur at 340 or 350kph in a straight line, but if it did, it would be almost impossible not to have serious consequences, so for me there’s no need to go 350kph in a straight line. I think 310, 320kph is more than enough speed to race at; Speed doesn’t make the race, what we wanted the last few years was more of a show for the fans, but I think there is a limit. We’ve reached 350kph. I think it’s too much," concluded Lorenzo.

Pardon my ignorance but what would be the difference in result when crashing at 320kmph compared with 350kmph?!

[cmoore]

30 kph....

[Crasherfromwayback]

Pardon my ignorance but what would be the difference in result when crashing at 320kmph compared with 350kmph?!

The fastest Moto GP crash of all time was Nakano at Mugello wannit? Over the bars at 340kph when his back tyre fell apart and locked the back wheel up when it jammed in the swingarm?

Very rare that a biff happens in a straight line other wise. Apart from the two 250 boys slamming into each other down Mugello's front straight. Was it Bautista and Lorenzo? Or De Angelis? Front brake getting jammed on for you...

[Oscar]

The fastest Moto GP crash of all time was Nakano at Mugello wannit? Over the bars at 340kph when his back tyre fell apart and locked the back wheel up when it jammed in the swingarm?

The telemetry showed that when the wheel went light at the top of a bump, it spun up to an effective speed of 430km/h+ and the tyre flew apart.

[Crasherfromwayback]

The telemetry showed that when the wheel went light at the top of a bump, it spun up to an effective speed of 430km/h+ and the tyre flew apart.

Then I'd have to say the 'telemetry' is surely talking shit. What RPM would the engine have to do to get the rear wheel spinning at that speed...when the real wheel was already spinning at 340 odd kph with the engine at close to redline in top?

I know they say the the rear wheel speed sensor says it's spinning at much higher speeds due to wheel spin etc...but 430kph?

Never.

[Oscar]

Then I'd have to say the 'telemetry' is surely talking shit. What RPM would the engine have to do to get the rear wheel spinning at that speed...when the real wheel was already spinning at 340 odd kph with the engine at close to redline in top?

I know they say the the rear wheel speed sensor says it's spinning at much higher speeds due to wheel spin etc...but 430kph?

Never.

The wheel almost came off of the ground and lit up, causing the tyre to shred.
How long would that take?
Several milliseconds?

[Crasherfromwayback]

The wheel almost came off of the ground and lit up, causing the tyre to shred.
How long would that take?
Several milliseconds?

It's not that Oscar. It's the fact that the engine couldn't possibly pull the revs to let the rear wheel spin to such speeds in my opinion.

[Oscar]

It's not that Oscar. It's the fact that the engine couldn't possibly pull the revs to let the rear wheel spin to such speeds in my opinion.

The story was related by an ex-crew chief who worked for 2D Telemetry.
I'm not arguing with ze Chermans.

[Crasherfromwayback]

The story was related by an ex-crew chief who worked for 2D Telemetry.
I'm not arguing with ze Chermans.

Do the math.

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Do the math.

Exactly what I was thinking mate! Wheel is direct coupled to engine, engine has a rev limiter. I can see a slight over-rev but not those sorts of numbers.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Exactly what I was thinking mate! Wheel is direct coupled to engine, engine has a rev limiter. I can see a slight over-rev but not those sorts of numbers.

Yeah I may not be the sharpest knife in the drawer...but those numbers don't compute. Rev limiters aside (they can be bypassed down shifting etc, hence why 'desmo' is a good thing), but the motor would've 'popped' if the rear wheel had spun at 400+ kph.

Someone is telling porkies.

[SS90]

Yeah I may not be the sharpest knife in the drawer...but those numbers don't compute. Rev limiters aside (they can be bypassed down shifting etc, hence why 'desmo' is a good thing), but the motor would've 'popped' if the rear wheel had spun at 400+ kph.

Someone is telling porkies.

I would surmise that the wheel (and therefore tyre) accelerated to it's terminal speed (what ever that is) much faster that it was capable of doing if it was in contact with the track, hence..... destruction.

[Crasherfromwayback]

The story was related by an ex-crew chief who worked for 2D Telemetry.
I'm not arguing with ze Chermans.

I would surmise that the wheel (and therefore tyre) accelerated to it's terminal speed (what ever that is) much faster that it was capable of doing if it was in contact with the track, hence..... destruction.

I wonder if they're actually geared for around 400kph? I read a while back that the rear wheel was doing some 50 kph more than the front due to wheel spin in the upper speeds due to the drag.

Regardless...I remember watching that biff, and it was hell scary.