MotoGP 2012

[Reckless]

Marquez may be an Alien in waiting but but he needs some race craft/etiquette errr... shall we say...drilled into him. Perhaps out the back of the paddock somewhere so he doesn't get distracted That overtake chop thing he's got going on is going to kill someone.
The 'take out' was a racing incident from my perspective, he was a passenger on that bike for a while.

Agree with you on the chop thing and I reckon he knew what he was doing when he regained some control and new someone would be there so he cut back onto the apex took all the racing room he could!
And there's the rub for me! Everyone, Rossi, Lorenzo, Stoner gives some racing room, not much, but enough for them all to survive!
Queerazz not only doesn't give any but he takes it from others ie the overtake chop and cutting back in when he new he fucked up and there'd be 100% chance someone else would be up there! I don't like him he's dangerous. Strange for the inside bike to go down in this case but if that was a racing incident it was all of Queerazz's manufacture. I may not be being as objective because I'm not a fan but its happening far to much around him.

[BMWST?]

Agree with you on the chop thing and I reckon he knew what he was doing when he regained some control and new someone would be there so he cut back onto the apex took all the racing room he could!
And there's the rub for me! Everyone, Rossi, Lorenzo, Stoner gives some racing room, not much, but enough for them all to survive!
Queerazz not only doesn't give any but he takes it from others ie the overtake chop and cutting back in when he new he fucked up and there'd be 100% chance someone else would be up there! I don't like him he's dangerous. Strange for the inside bike to go down in this case but if that was a racing incident it was all of Queerazz's manufacture. I may not be being as objective because I'm not a fan but its happening far to much around him.

i agree,Pol was virtually right next to him he just doesnt give an inch .

[Mental Trousers]

No, Pol's front wheel hit him right in the middle of the bike, which is right where you start to see an over taking bike.

Marquez is dangerous and I really don't like him, but that was a racing incident.

He saved the crash, instantly put it aside and got back on the ball. Pol saw a gap, went for it but wasn't far enough forward for Marquez to see him. Anyone else would've looked to see where the other bike was but he didn't. That's the dangerous thing about it all.

[Reckless]

No, Pol's front wheel hit him right in the middle of the bike, which is right where you start to see an over taking bike.

Marquez is dangerous and I really don't like him, but that was a racing incident.

He saved the crash, instantly put it aside and got back on the ball. Pol saw a gap, went for it but wasn't far enough forward for Marquez to see him. Anyone else would've looked to see where the other bike was but he didn't. That's the dangerous thing about it all.

I see your point And agree but for one thing. IMHO anyone that has raced knows by sixth sense that the guy who has been hounding you for the last lap is going to have a go, you know he is going to be there, because you cocked up big time and gave him the chance. You know this without looking. What you don't do is deliberately cut him up at 140k and bugger his ankle/season up no matter what level you race at. Imagine if there had of four or five of them there the hole freckin lot would have been down. Anyway Ive said my bit, vented my passion Ill go have another beer now! LMAO carry on all

[Mental Trousers]

That's the point, he didn't look cos he ignores anything behind him. Once he's past someone they're gone from his mind, totally irrelevant, which is why he cuts across people and almost takes them out. He switches off the sixth sense or just completely ignores it. Either way, he's dangerous.

[Brian d marge]

That's the point, he didn't look cos he ignores anything behind him. Once he's past someone they're gone from his mind, totally irrelevant, which is why he cuts across people and almost takes them out. He switches off the sixth sense or just completely ignores it. Either way, he's dangerous.

I like him , no hold barred

and yes I would love to race him .....

you lot are a bunch of poofs

Stephen

[Crasherfromwayback]

I like him , no hold barred

and yes I would love to race him .....

you lot are a bunch of poofs

Stephen

There's a huge difference between 'no holds barred' and fucking cheap/dangerous. I've raced both types. Only one is fun to race against.

[eelracing]

Jesus wept I hav'nt heard so much bleating since Simo's pass on Pedrosa at Le Mans last year.It was a racing incident and therefore correctly quashed when a protest was raised.

Marquez's save was outstanding to watch and the fact that he got straight back on the gas and chasing was significant...just sit back and enjoy him.

In fact Pol is just as guilty of the same racer mentallity if you really think about it,for he was in the box seat right up to the point of impact to do something about it.

[McWild]

I'm interested in some opinions here...

Personally, I am (was) a huge Simoncelli fan. I really enjoyed his ruthless, gangly style, his commitment and his races. However, I find Marquez very irritating to watch, and I am much less forgiving of incidents he so happens to be involved with. From opinion that I've read through the two racers' heydays, I'm not alone.

So I ask you to explain to me, what is the critical difference between Simoncelli and Marquez? Is there a difference, or am I looking back with rose-tinted glasses? I know that both have been popular and unpopular with their various fanbases. But I do feel like overall they have been received quite differently from one another.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Jesus wept I hav'nt heard so much bleating since Simo's pass on Pedrosa at Le Mans last year.It was a racing incident and therefore correctly quashed when a protest was raised.
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I haven't seen this last incident. But what I do hate about MM is they way he swerves right in front of guys once he's gone past...before he's even really past them. It's fucking dangerous.

[jellywrestler]

I haven't seen this last incident. But what I do hate about MM is they way he swerves right in front of guys once he's gone past...before he's even really past them. It's fucking dangerous.

Maybe he thinks no-ones watching that bit like when Mike Tyson decided to bite of the ear in the middle of a boxing match, with 8 million poepl watching.
Pete you follow GPs avidly what's the rules/penalties when someone does something outright dangerous?

[denill]

IMHO anyone that has raced knows by sixth sense that the guy who has been hounding you for the last lap is going to have a go, you know he is going to be there, because you cocked up big time and gave him the chance.

Probably right - but the "chance" was a risky chance as Pol went for a gap that was between the curb and an out of shape Marqez and he took the risk of squeezing through, as any determined competitive racer would and collided with another determined racer who was slightly ahead and who took the line. A racing incident.

The weaving is another subject.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Maybe he thinks no-ones watching that bit like when Mike Tyson decided to bite of the ear in the middle of a boxing match, with 8 million poepl watching.
Pete you follow GPs avidly what's the rules/penalties when someone does something outright dangerous?

Yeah...funny eh!

Dunno Spyda. Think they can ban 'em for a race or two? I guess if they keep doing it, deduct points etc?

[Tony.OK]

I haven't seen this last incident. But what I do hate about MM is they way he swerves right in front of guys once he's gone past...before he's even really past them. It's fucking dangerous.

[pritch]

Marquez has had his card marked. Fair enough, it was a “racing incident”, but he’s having too many incidents in which other riders lose and he benefits.

I suppose it is common knowledge that there is a new head of Race Direction who hails from Maungatoroto (sp?) up north.