MotoGP 2012

[Crasherfromwayback]

I like it better when the sums are done from say, 2001 !!! LOL

Course you would. But even you would have to admit that it's not been till the other aliens arrived that your man had any real competion on a regular basis.

[tbs]

Rookie Rule to be dropped.

Some interesting opinions in the comments section of that article before it inevitably turned into a a Rossi and Ducati bashing match. Particularly that it actually costs the satellite teams a lot of money to have these hard charging rookies crashing their bikes a lot before they learn to keep it rubber side down. And also that it causes massive sponsor disruption and job losses to crew who have to make way for an upcoming rider's crew for a year until they snap up a factory ride. So it seems better for all concerned to do away with the rookie rule.

Having said that, I'd rather see Marquez earn his factory seat on a Satellite bike and I reckon Bautista would make a good fist of Stoner's factory seat based on his consistency this year. It must be killing Elias to see Bautista putting his last year's back-marking seat on pole. I really would have liked to see him make the podium this race.

[Crasherfromwayback]

and I reckon Bautista would make a good fist of Stoner's factory seat based on his consistency this year. It must be killing Elias to see Bautista putting his last year's back-marking seat on pole. I really would have liked to see him make the podium this race.

Isn't Bautista's bike a factory effort like Simo's was last year?

[Scouse]

Hmm Guess I have to admit that Rossi isn't going to win another title. Lorenzo looks like the new GP king but I would not put it past Cruchlow to give it a good go next year if he is on a factory bike.

[DidJit]

Isn't Bautista's bike a factory effort like Simo's was last year?

Don't think so — Bautista is on a "proper" satellite bike sprung on Showa. The Repsols are the only factory HRC bikes this year I think.

Hmm Guess I have to admit that Rossi isn't going to win another title. Lorenzo looks like the new GP king but I would not put it past Cruchlow to give it a good go next year if he is on a factory bike.

Cal's already giving it a good go! The racing between him and Dovi this year is fantastic! This year could be dubbed “The Rise of the Satellite” the way those satellite teams are putting their bikes so much closer to the front (than last year, for example).

[Crasherfromwayback]

Don't think so — Bautista is on a "proper" satellite bike sprung on Showa. The Repsols are the only factory HRC bikes this year I think.



Cal's already giving it a good go! The racing between him and Dovi this year is fantastic! This year could be dubbed “The Rise of the Satellite” the way those satellite teams are putting their bikes so much closer to the front (than last year, for example).

I see. Thought it was a factory bike just running the diff suspenders.

Yeah I'm really impressed by both the sat Yamahas. Makes Spies look worse though. Next year could be very interesting.

[DidJit]

This year being the first year back to 1000cc capacity, I think the differences between ‘factory’ and ‘satellite’ spec are relatively small (until upgrades start rolling in later on in the season). The comments I've read so far mentioned the electronics packages on the factory efforts are just that little bit more refined. Cal Crutchlow tweeted something to that effect if I recall correctly.

[roogazza]

I see. Thought it was a factory bike just running the diff suspenders.
Yeah I'm really impressed by both the sat Yamahas. Makes Spies look worse though. Next year could be very interesting.

This year being the first year back to 1000cc capacity, I think the differences between ‘factory’ and ‘satellite’ spec are relatively small (until upgrades start rolling in later on in the season). The comments I've read so far mentioned the electronics packages on the factory efforts are just that little bit more refined. Cal Crutchlow tweeted something to that effect if I recall correctly.

Just going by results all the Yamahas look similar. But for the works jobbies, one is masterful and the other struggling.
(or as we dicussed the other day Crasher, his head is upset ?)

[tbs]

Isn't Bautista's bike a factory effort like Simo's was last year?

Ha, I had got things back to front. I thought Bradle was on the Gresini and Bautista was on the LCR. My bad. Still, I reckon he's done really well to adapt from the uncompetitive Suzuki to the the Honda and get up to pace. He seems to have got better on a race by race basis.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Ha, I had got things back to front. I thought Bradle was on the Gresini and Bautista was on the LCR. My bad. Still, I reckon he's done really well to adapt from the uncompetitive Suzuki to the the Honda and get up to pace. He seems to have got better on a race by race basis.

I'd like to see him bag Stoners Honda next year. Meantime...

http://www.cycleworld.com/2012/06/18...t-silverstone/

[Mental Trousers]

Ha, I had got things back to front. I thought Bradle was on the Gresini and Bautista was on the LCR. My bad. Still, I reckon he's done really well to adapt from the uncompetitive Suzuki to the the Honda and get up to pace. He seems to have got better on a race by race basis.

By the time the Suzuki factory quit the GSVR was every bit as competitive as the Yamaha's and Honda's. The front running guys were saying they could've put it on the podium.

Bautista is a great rider and a brave little bugger but he was having to develop it in a single bike team at the same time as trying to figure out how to ride with the best. He had a hell of a lot on his plate and did a great job, but he wasn't quite up to getting the best of the thing. As we can see this year he's taken a little while but the last couple of races he's been starting to look like he deserves that Honda.

[tbs]

By the time the Suzuki factory quit the GSVR was every bit as competitive as the Yamaha's and Honda's. The front running guys were saying they could've put it on the podium.

Bautista is a great rider and a brave little bugger but he was having to develop it in a single bike team at the same time as trying to figure out how to ride with the best. He had a hell of a lot on his plate and did a great job, but he wasn't quite up to getting the best of the thing. As we can see this year he's taken a little while but the last couple of races he's been starting to look like he deserves that Honda.

I remember John Hopkins saying how good it was and that it was capable of running up the front under the right rider, but I just thought he was trying to put the boot in and get back on a GP bike for good.

[DidJit]

This is why the “CRT” concept was brought in!

[pritch]

This is why the “CRT” concept was brought in!

And a year or two on a street legal version?

I note that Ben Spies has had a rant on Twitter about the Rookie Rule being dropped. His perception being that the rules are being waived by Spanish company Dorna to favour one rider because he is Spanish. Colin Edwards is also vehement in his views on the topic.

Of course down the years many competitors in various sports have benefited by being from the USA. Ask Erin Baker.

[Oscar]

And a year or two on a street legal version?

I note that Ben Spies has had a rant on Twitter about the Rookie Rule being dropped. His perception being that the rules are being waived by Spanish company Dorna to favour one rider because he is Spanish. Colin Edwards is also vehement in his views on the topic.

Of course down the years many competitors in various sports have benefited by being from the USA. Ask Erin Baker.

I think the only instance of that rule being enforced was Spies wasn't it?
When Honda wanted Simoncelli on a Honda they gave Gresini a works bike.