CRM80 build?

[CHOPPA]

Nah his BMW superbike was broken again so he was on his BMW touring bike haha.

Hey chop I can show which corners are the best to crash at though and there's this one corner if you are real talented that you get your bike to hang in the tree....

Haha yeah the touring bike is a bloody monster to get around the track!!

Ill be keen for some bucket training Sketchy

This thread has gone great!

Hey what would you guys say if someone turned up with a competition based engine in there bike but they just wanted to race at small club days and not serious competitions? Would they be told there is no class for them and to go home or maybe made to start at the back??

[Henk]

Hey what would you guys say if someone turned up with a competition based engine in there bike but they just wanted to race at small club days and not serious competitions? Would they be told there is no class for them and to go home or maybe made to start at the back??

Probably best to not open that particular can of worms given the lengths people have gone to in the past to build bikes that are both fast and legal.

Just my 2 cents

[CHOPPA]

Probably best to not open that particular can of worms given the lengths people have gone to in the past to build bikes that are both fast and legal.

Just my 2 cents

Just seems like soooo much pissing around and $$ to tune a dirty old farm bike engine up to the power of a standard 80cc MX bike engine you can score for piss all.

[jasonu]

Hey what would you guys say if someone turned up with a competition based engine in there bike but they just wanted to race at small club days and not serious competitions? Would they be told there is no class for them and to go home or maybe made to start at the back??

What would you say to someone who wanted to start off the back in the Superlights class on a BMW Superbike?

From time to time Steve Groves used to show up to Mt Welli practise days with a KX125. It was fun to watch but he was never allowed (and never wanted to anyway) enter Sundays races. No matter where he might have started from he would still have had some affect on the final race result.

[jasonu]

And as far as rules go, the official word from the MNZ Road Race commissioner is it was the INTENT of the rules blah blah blah and they also suggested that the Bucket community needs to be self policing

Heres a copy of the reply from MNZ, some on here have already seen a copy of this.


Subject: Re: MNZ rule clarification or rule change required
Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 23:09:19 +1300

Hi again Gavin

The rule reads pretty clearly from where I'm looking - the use of competition engines and gearboxes is specifically disallowed ....... the ORIGINAL wording from 25 odd years ago is probably better, but what we have now is fine.

If we take your suggestion to its full extent, you have a major can of worms - for instance, there are several KT100 parts in an AG100 engine. There is the odd early RM part in a TF125. and so on etc etc.

As one who was building and racing buckets from the first day they escaped the Airforce, I can tell you the intent of the original rules was to encourage the building of performance, not simply the buying of horsepower in the guise of factory race parts. So the rules specifically excluded the use of these .... and there was no such thing as RS125 framed MB100 cylindered MB50's either. But centre-hub steered G4TR's with watercooled RG cylinders grafted on were rightly applauded. Homemade alloy monocoques with VT250 headed CB125 engines were cool, and LEGAL

The Bucket community needs to be self-policing to an extent - if people are building bikes with illegal parts, suggest you do something about it by putting pressure on the guilty parties yourselves

Hope this helps ??????

Cheers
Peter R

This was my original email asking for clarification ...

2010_MoMS_Chapter_24_Road_Racing_Miniature.

24.2.4 Engines must be derived from non-competition motorcycles. Motocross, Road Racing,
Enduro and Go Kart motors and transmission parts are not permitted

Seeking clarification on this rule. The extra S added after Go Kart motor above has led a lot of confusion over the wording.
Some people read this rule to mean while its clear on competition transmission parts, its not clear on competition motor parts.
As its worded, some interpret that a complete motor is not allowed, but interpret by some logic that they are allowed to use competition motor PARTS.
No I would not agree putting in race parts is the same in effect as using the whole engine.
These would be excluded if it were to read Go Kart motor and transmission parts, but with the extra S added to motor, it seems some read this that its only a complete motor that is not permitted.
A point to be looked at, but I think (motor"s") was to cover off all motors of what ever brand and not as you have interpreted it.

Has this been raised in discussion in before? Not to my knowledge Was the extra S added as a typo? It seems to me that is a typo, as why would you ban transmission PARTS but not motor PARTS?
It has come to light that some people seem to think it is in the rules to use Go Kart parts in some engines in "Bucket racing".
A notice on the MNZ web site should clarify this for all competitors.

Can you confirm the intention of this rule? And is it possible to have the wording changed if it has been a typo all these years?

The items in red were a reply from Paul Stewart part of MNZ.
Shame he wasnt able to add in some comma's in his first line, as it is, Im not sure if he agrees or disagrees

So after all that, I think they missed the point of my original query ..... oh well .....
Can't be long before two stroke bucket bikes will be banned, due to their carbon footprint anyway is it?
Oh and sorry for the thread hijack, but welcome to the Bucket forum, you'll get use to it.

Sounds to me like someone hasn't attended a Bucket meet in the last 20 years.
Pretty piss poor response from the MNZ especially considering the revenue Buckets generates.

[Buckets4Me]

Hey what would you guys say if someone turned up with a competition based engine in there bike but they just wanted to race at small club days and not serious competitions? Would they be told there is no class for them and to go home or maybe made to start at the back??

most would get away with it
BUT NOT YOU sorry

JC up this way will let most YOUNG people ride whatever gets them on the track (it has to be at least LIKE a bucket)
but they cant be beating everyone and will get NO POINTS

BUT I can only think of 2 kids doing that in the 8 years I've been there

one rg150
and one on an mb100 in F5

go buy that dam cb125t #99 on trade me you lazy bugger it's ready it goes and has all the good bits for about the cost of parts to build the ENGINE you have

people told you you would never finish

[Buckets4Me]

Sounds to me like someone hasn't attended a Bucket meet in the last 20 years.
Pretty piss poor response from the MNZ especially considering the revenue Buckets generates.

sounds normal try getting the cops to catch the bugger that stole your bucket

[Sketchy_Racer]

Just chuck a 80/85cc motocrosser in there and I'll do the same and we'll start a new class - Stock 80-85cc MX motors, only thing you can change is the chamber, would be an awesome class a bit like the Moto2 of buckets haha

[fi5hy]

Choppa mate buy a Loncin then no bastard will want to talk to you on that slow old shita

[CHOPPA]

Choppa mate buy a Loncin then no bastard will want to talk to you on that slow old shita

But that wouldnt get everybody wound up

[bucketracer]

Just seems like soooo much pissing around and $$ to tune a dirty old farm bike engine up to the power of a standard 80cc MX bike engine

I guess, if you don't find the pissing around developing something interesting in its own right, you could buy a Lonclin or fXR they are pretty good, cheap enough and hard to beat with any sort of Stroker.

Even if you brought a MXr I think you would need to be really talented to beat the 4 Smokers and even so you would still need to develop the Stroker for better drive out of the corners.

[Yow Ling]

Just chuck a 80/85cc motocrosser in there and I'll do the same and we'll start a new class - Stock 80-85cc MX motors, only thing you can change is the chamber, would be an awesome class a bit like the Moto2 of buckets haha

Quite possible, if the bucket community could agree on it, MNZ dont care they want us to be self policing. Down here Underpowered 80 has an AR80 motor similar to a KX80 ? has a good turn of speed , in a rs frame, quite a weapon

[F5 Dave]

MX engines again? it would never stop & little Johnnys dad would buy a late model one to strip for the engine, so Scotts dad would buy a 2011. then Jefferies dad would preorder a 2012 & send it to Eric Gorr, but only to find that he's moved. On to facebook to find him & . . . .Sorry, this stories taken off on its own.

[CHOPPA]

MX engines again? it would never stop & little Johnnys dad would buy a late model one to strip for the engine, so Scotts dad would buy a 2011. then Jefferies dad would preorder a 2012 & send it to Eric Gorr, but only to find that he's moved. On to facebook to find him & . . . .Sorry, this stories taken off on its own.

Nothing wrong with that? We want peoples dads spending the money on road racing rather then MX

[richban]

Nothing wrong with that? We want peoples dads spending the money on road racing rather then MX

They can just go on trademe and buy a CBR now. Little johnny very happy with new bike.