AMCC Round 2 Pukekohe

[CHOPPA]

Trivial as it may seem there's a second a lap to be gained at HD and probably any other track in the country by removing enough metal from the sidestand bracket on the Hyosung,The rules was made for a reason and will be enforced to the word.

Oh really!? Is that due to lean angle or something? What happens if its damaged and broken off? Can it be purchased as a spare part?

[MadDuck]

Hmmmmm $20 to go watch club racing or $20 to go watch Paeroa......do they really think club racing is the same sort of spectacal as Paeroa??!!! Reality check time.

I was pretty gobsmacked by the cost to spectate to be honest but then to be told "No Programmes". I wont be in a hurry to go back.

[Billy]

Oh really!? Is that due to lean angle or something? What happens if its damaged and broken off? Can it be purchased as a spare part?

Yip,It certainly limits the lean angle severely on lefthanders,

Not sure whether you can buy one if need be,Probably not I would suspect,However,The rules surrounding it are pretty clear and I'm sure you'd get one fabricated or from a wrecker(Come to think of it,Ive got 2 frames hanging up at the lock up if anybody needs one)

[Rick 52]

Yes HD was way over priced ...I hope they get it sorted for next time !

If the side stand Bracket can cause a crash then should it not be removed for safety of the track and rider ! Same for everybody then...

[Billy]

Yes HD was way over priced ...I hope they get it sorted for next time !

If the side stand Bracket can cause a crash then should it not be removed for safety of the track and rider ! Same for everybody then...

Its the rider that causes the crash,Not the motorcycle or parts there of,The rule was made for a reason,If you want further information contact the roadrace commission chairman.

[CHOPPA]

Its the rider that causes the crash,Not the motorcycle or parts there of,The rule was made for a reason,If you want further information contact the roadrace commission chairman.

I guess if they let people cut them off it would limit the guys that intend to ride there bikes on the road to being 1 second off the pace.

Good practice keeping the bike upright anyways. Try doing it with a bloody big engine hangin out

[Kiwi Graham:Me]

Oh really!? Is that due to lean angle or something? What happens if its damaged and broken off? Can it be purchased as a spare part?

I'm pretty unclear and totally not up with the play on the Hyosung's, this is why we shall have someone who is clued up on them there next time.
From what I've been told by various people that have ridden them is the side stand bracket can quite easily touch down in the left handers and does get worn down, it is a concern that it could dig in a lift the tyres of the surface causing an accident (rider induced regardless), a safer race is a better race and all that, its why road bikes have fold up foot pegs after all.
The Hyosung guys/gals perhaps should co-operatively write to the commissioner requesting permission to remove them with a grinder rather than waiting for it to grind down during the course of events. Following the right 'due process' has got to be better than finding yourself foul of a rule that may have been amended had you done the right thing, it worked for the inclusion of power commanders.

[Billy]

I'm pretty unclear and totally not up with the play on the Hyosung's, this is why we shall have someone who is clued up on them there next time.
From what I've been told by various people that have ridden them is the side stand bracket can quite easily touch down in the left handers and does get worn down, it is a concern that it could dig in a lift the tyres of the surface causing an accident (rider induced regardless), a safer race is a better race and all that, its why road bikes have fold up foot pegs after all.
The Hyosung guys/gals perhaps should co-operatively write to the commissioner requesting permission to remove them with a grinder rather than waiting for it to grind down during the course of events. Following the right 'due process' has got to be better than finding yourself foul of a rule that may have been amended had you done the right thing, it worked for the inclusion of power commanders.

Yip,Your right they can dig in and cause some distress,However Choppa has hit the nail on the head as to the reason for them having to stay on,There are a couple of ways around making it easier to ride,The first being to bolt a block of nylon to the bracket so it sits a mm proud,Or try a different line.

The bike my son Paul rode for the Nationals never touched the bracket down once out of 5 meetings all over the country and he still managed to finish 2nd in the Prolite Championship.Write all the letters you want to the commissioner,I doubt that rules gonna change anytime soon,All the letter writing in the world didnt change anybodys mind in regard to the power commanders,There was one commission member that held out on allowing them and we eventually talked him round.

[budda]

If the side stand Bracket can cause a crash then should it not be removed for safety of the track and rider ! Same for everybody then...

Riders cause the majority of crashes - maybe we should ban them in the interests of safety ? Dont forget the rules have to cover all eligible bikes, not just one model. The Ninja's drag their stand bracket too,as do a couple of the other potential machines - but good riders get around the issue, just like they used to in the good old days

The Hyosung Cup is a great initiative, The Organisers and Sponsors should give themselves a big pat on the back

[jellywrestler]

requesting permission to remove them with a grinder rather .

yep and given it's a learner clas what's the odds said learner is a learner with a grinder too and decides to cut the tube out and 'have a go' at welding a piece in etc

best plan is a nylon block as mentioned elsewhere

[jellywrestler]

Oh really!? Is that due to lean angle or something? What happens if its damaged and broken off? Can it be purchased as a spare part?

would figure if they're broken off the frame would be pretty well munted. The class was designed to have bikes available i'm sure there will be more cosmetically written off bikes around than than ones with buggered frames as a source of a replacement

[Crash 42]

The bracket is a full on part of the frame, and cannot be broken off in a crash (and if it is - I assume that bike shall be destined for a scrapyard; not for back on the track). I have had it down a number of times, and you just get used to where it is and make sure you aren't touching it down on left handers, whether it means a different line or even a slower speed through the turn, everyone SHOULD have it the same, and so therefore you are at no disadvantage. In regards to grinding it off on the track, it would take alot of time, the bracket is not soft. Hopefully Hyosung can bring a good suggestion to those who have cut it off as to how to rectify their now illegal machines - also some forewarning, or maybe a 1 round pass (til round 3) to resolve the issue, because it is not something that you can just fix on the day.

...just my $0.02 as a competitor (With a relatively legal bike )

[chrispy121]

so in response to the numbers and to get off the hoyosung thread.
whats is the deal with the numbers.
an r1 with the same size numbers and location as dan staffer piloted this year in the nationals did not receive a qualifying time.
the excuse is the numbers were the wrong size so does this mean dans road race wins on the bernard bike should be overturned?

just asking.

[Billy]

The bracket is a full on part of the frame, and cannot be broken off in a crash (and if it is - I assume that bike shall be destined for a scrapyard; not for back on the track). I have had it down a number of times, and you just get used to where it is and make sure you aren't touching it down on left handers, whether it means a different line or even a slower speed through the turn, everyone SHOULD have it the same, and so therefore you are at no disadvantage. In regards to grinding it off on the track, it would take alot of time, the bracket is not soft. Hopefully Hyosung can bring a good suggestion to those who have cut it off as to how to rectify their now illegal machines - also some forewarning, or maybe a 1 round pass (til round 3) to resolve the issue, because it is not something that you can just fix on the day.

...just my $0.02 as a competitor (With a relatively legal bike )

My understanding was the club were going to contact all riders on the entry list,Has this not happened?

A one round pass is unacceptable,A good number if not all of the offenders knew it was illegal too remove parts or all of the bracket,Why not let those chosen few run a turbo for a round or two as well ??? and besides that,Theyve already had a round on an illegal machine!!

Be interested to know how you discovered how hard it is to grind one down hahahaha! The only bits ground down on your bike are the handlebar ends and the rider.

[CHOPPA]

so in response to the numbers and to get off the hoyosung thread.
whats is the deal with the numbers.
an r1 with the same size numbers and location as dan staffer piloted this year in the nationals did not receive a qualifying time.
the excuse is the numbers were the wrong size so does this mean dans road race wins on the bernard bike should be overturned?

just asking.

They will have transponders this time FINALLY