Article in NZ herald online

[actungbaby]

here here

It was just rubbish article she starts out by saying theres going be a investigation then there all her own opions
which most are complete rubbish , so what if there where marks on the track , hello we all know that he tryed to pick up
the bike and veered in the path of the other 2 riders , its all been rulled as tragic freak accident

to me just somone anoyed because the race got stoped and feels cheated that only reason i can imagine why you have
to include that his body feel when he was being moved and your point is ?

I havent heard one rider saying he was riding dangerously that day no one was at fault was a "accident "
and to go around trying stir up here say evidence how can that be a qoute a journlist who ? who
cares is he on the teams racing safety comittee , i hard franko uchinli say that marco helped at meetings himself
and was intellgent rider not some gung ho nutta

It's not actually the journalists job to raise these questions, because they have little or no clue about what they are reporting on. They are just asking the most sensationalist questions they can, with as little effort in presenting a balanced article as possible, any research done is simply what is required to come up with such questions. Some "journos" may claim to be champions of the truth, but at the end of the day their job is to sell advertising space, which they will do by any means. Being honest, balanced, open and fair is not what journalism is about.

"Journalists" such as the brainless monkeys that work at The Herald do not ask the right questions, they do not pressure the safety groups and governing bodies that run such events, they do not lobby against the people that may or may not have contributed to Simoncelli's death until those who should be blamed are done so and punished accordingly. They just figure out what angle they need to write what they need to, to sell what ever it is the media group they work for is selling.

The Herald is a huge, steaming dog turd of a newspaper, with journalists that seem incapable of stringing together the most simple of sentences or even using spell-checker, let alone produce an article that is in any way worth the recycled paper it's printed on.

If questions need to be asked, it's by people involved in the sport, who understand the industry they work in and the dangers and pressures the riders face.

[francohara]

Only problem I have is the reference to a "fellow Journalist". That would imply that somebody at the Herald is actually a journalist. Somewhat of an exaggeration?

LOL ...very true... also the "fellow journalist" who saw the crash probably did so on some crappy youtube video

[Katman]

to me just somone anoyed because the race got stoped and feels cheated

What? So you're simply aggrieved that you didn't get to see the whole race?

[Oakie]

... i can imagine why you have to include that his body feel when he was being moved and your point is ?

The point was that this backed up the earlier statement MS died on the track because if he was still alive they would have been more careful.

As an ex very small-time journo myself it sounded like a reasonable piece of journalism. Provided the whole who, what, when, where, and how with a bit of background fill and it wasn't gratuitous.

[dmc]

The point was that this backed up the earlier statement MS died on the track because if he was still alive they would have been more careful.

As an ex very small-time journo myself it sounded like a reasonable piece of journalism. Provided the whole who, what, when, where, and how with a bit of background fill and it wasn't gratuitous.

but the background was one sided and painted the picture it was just a matter of time before he killed himself or someone else, if they want to bring that up then they need to balance it with the whole story and that wasn't done, so it backs up my comment that it should have been left out of the article all together or discussed in more detail in another article after the investigations around his death are completed.

They didn't talk about any previous crash that Wheldon has been involved in when he was killed so no need for them to included it when Simoncelli dead.

[carbonhed]

What? So you're simply aggrieved that you didn't get to see the whole race?

I know he's bordering on incoherent... but as an interpretation that's just fucking stupid.

[Katman]

I know he's bordering on incoherent...

That's putting it mildly.

[Oakie]

they need to balance it with the whole story and that wasn't done,

What was the 'whole story'? Seriously. I'm not aware of another part to it but then again I don't follow Moto GP all that closely.

[Paul in NZ]

OF COURSE there will be a bloody investigation - Marco died 'at work' in front of millions and and there could be a bunch of reasons why that happened. It was the lack of follow up investigations with appropriate remedial action that caused higher death rates in the past and no one wants to go back to that!!!

I think the whole 'point' of racing is riding 'dangerously' and the reason these guys get paid heaps is that they do it better than most of us. However there is a big difference to riding 'dangerously' in a manner likely to hurt yourself and riding in a manner where you are hurting others. In the latter case there there is every reason to come down on people. If he had been hooking right a few seconds later he could have knocked Edwards and Rossi into the afterlife and what then? He may have survived, they may have died and it may, just may have been because he was being an arse. Let the professionals investigate - have a look at the out comes and then get all worked up.

Getting worked up about an article like that isnt worth the energy.

[oneofsix]

Whilst i agree with Paul that it is not worth getting upset by the article I do think the article itself is just cheap hindsight 'reporting'. Well reporting isn't the right word but we are talking media here. If they were reporting the death then speculation was uncalled for. If it was real concern about Marco's riding then it should have been expressed before the event and is a bit useless and self serving now and doesn't belong in the report of the crash.

[willytheekid]

Personaly...I feel THIS is what should be investigate closely -

"AGV will examine his helmet" (an independant authority should!...not the maker!)
......such a harrowing sight seeing that helmet rolling into the infield.

Makes me concerened in regards to my own AGV lid.....if his top of the line hemet can break a strap...what about my mid range model?...after all....Thats where I store my brain!.

[Paul in NZ]

Whilst i agree with Paul that it is not worth getting upset by the article I do think the article itself is just cheap hindsight 'reporting'. Well reporting isn't the right word but we are talking media here. If they were reporting the death then speculation was uncalled for. If it was real concern about Marco's riding then it should have been expressed before the event and is a bit useless and self serving now and doesn't belong in the report of the crash.

Yeah but shes just rehashed something that came over the wire. It isnt going to get a full on investigation from anyone in NZ is it?

[Paul in NZ]

Makes me concerened in regards to my own AGV lid.....if his top of the line hemet can break a strap...what about my mid range model?...after all....Thats where I store my brain!.

Mate - you have nothing 'additional' to worry about. Your gear will work fine up until you have an off like he did and then get clobbered by two bikes and then???? You gear isnt a supenman outfit and will only prevent abbrasion and a bit of bone breakage if you have the right armour. Face it - every time you throw a leg over your bike you are effectively betting against the house. If you think its upsetting to see this stuff on a track, consider how emergencies services staff feel when they see this daily?

[BoristheBiter]

Whilst i agree with Paul that it is not worth getting upset by the article I do think the article itself is just cheap hindsight 'reporting'.

Isn't all reporting "hindsight" reporting? otherwise it would be forecasting.

I really can't see what people are getting so worked up over, maybe its the fact i don't read crappy newspapers.

[willytheekid]

Mate - you have nothing 'additional' to worry about. Your gear will work fine up until you have an off like he did and then get clobbered by two bikes and then???? You gear isnt a supenman outfit and will only prevent abbrasion and a bit of bone breakage if you have the right armour. Face it - every time you throw a leg over your bike you are effectively betting against the house. If you think its upsetting to see this stuff on a track, consider how emergencies services staff feel when they see this daily?

Hi Paul

After 30yrs riding, Im quiet aware of the risks, seen the results first hand and my gears limitations...but I have NEVER seen a top of the line helmet "break" a strap before.
-Hence why AGV are investigating this....because it is NOT meant to happen under any circumstance...especially at this level.

The race track is MUCH safer than the road...and being hit by two bikes is nothing like being hit by a half ton of car or more and having no run off zone.

My question was- Why is the manufacturer doing the investigation? (this should be undertaken by an independant helmet testing facility...like all other tests and investigations..independant means no chance of the company omitting facts or results etc)

I always wear good protective gear for a reason (ATGATT & all that) -So I can keep riding for another 30yrs!....hence why I try to use good quality gear, and top of the list is the helmet! (Its where we store our brains after all)
So I will be following this investigation into the helmet, and if AGV have a possible manufacturing problem...I WILL be binning my lid...No hesitation!!

Thanks for your feedback Paul, always good to hear from you