POLL: Which voting system do you prefer?

**slofox** · 31st October 2011, 16:31

We get to select the voting system we want in future in a couple of weeks.

Which one do you prefer? You can tell us why as well if ya like...

If you don't have a fucking clue what they are about, you can find about 'em HERE.

**JimO** · 31st October 2011, 16:34

i dont see no poll

**MSTRS:Me** · 31st October 2011, 16:35

Can't put the poll up until the thread is up first...takes a few minutes.
I'm leaning to STV, but no doubt the bastard pollies will be able to twist that to suit themselves as well.
Might have to be FPP...or any system that removes that fucken 'list'...if the public didn't vote you in, you're not an MP.

**Usarka** · 31st October 2011, 16:37

I don't like this voting system.

**slofox** · 31st October 2011, 16:37

Originally Posted by JimO

i dont see no poll

Errr...it's up there on my screen..?

**Blackshear** · 31st October 2011, 17:43

I don't know what any o that means, and aside from the occasional HEY MODS WANT U 2 LOOK polls, I don't vote.

**neels** · 31st October 2011, 17:58

You shouldn't vote, it only encourates the fuckers.

And from what I remember reading when this first raised it's head and MMP appeared, STV looked to be the most likely way to get the people most people liked into parliament. I just don't think the voting public could get their heads around the concept.

What we have now just means the party drones can cover their bases by list places, and if the electorate boots thinks they're wankers and boots them out they just slide in on their list placing.

Still better than the absolute power days of muldoon and rogernomics though.....

**Oakie** · 31st October 2011, 19:29

MMP but I think it needs a little tinkering over thresholds and one person bringing half a dozen more in by winning a seat.

**Ocean1** · 31st October 2011, 19:50

The one most likely to return the government the majority of people vote for. FPP.

If you feel the need to fuck with that so some of the losers feel better then Supplementary Member is the least odeous of the other choices.

Except that it sounds really rude.

MD · 31st October 2011, 19:56

It seems to me that MMP opened the door for too many people, that no one voted for, to get a free lunch and retirement off the taxpayer. On the other hand FPP will always be a game of two players in NZ. Not happy with either of these.

I'm hoping the supplementary vote will be a fair balance between these two extremes. Of course history shows us how our incumbent Govts ignore any referendum that does not give the result they want.

STV sounds too much like a disease you don't want to tell the Missus about.

**Swoop** · 31st October 2011, 19:57

Originally Posted by neels

Still better than the absolute power days of muldoon and rogernomics though.....

That'll be FPP then...

MD · 31st October 2011, 20:01

Originally Posted by Ocean1

The one most likely to return the government the majority of people vote for. FPP.

If you feel the need to fuck with that so some of the losers feel better then Supplementary Member is the least odeous of the other choices.

Except that it sounds really rude.

So you saying your can catch a dose of STV from someone's supplementary member. When did politics get so dirty?

**Jantar** · 31st October 2011, 20:04

Originally Posted by Ocean1

The one most likely to return the government the majority of people vote for. FPP......

Isn't that the one where in two consectutive elections in the mid 1980s the party with the largest number of votes got the lesser number of seats in parliament?

Isn't that the one we used to have where over a third of voters were completely unrepresented in parliament?

Isn't that the one that gives the voting public the least representation in parliament?

FPP must be the worst system we have ever experienced.

**Virago** · 31st October 2011, 20:07

Originally Posted by Ocean1

The one most likely to return the government the majority of people vote for. FPP...

Sadly, that couldn't be further from the truth. FPP resulted in massive landslide victories with only minority voting numbers. I recall one election where National triumphed with far fewer votes than Labour. A vote for a minority party was effectively a wasted vote - you were better to choose between the lesser of two evils between the main parties, to ensure that the party you liked least didn't get in.

MMP on the other hand, turned the tables the other direction, with some minority parties having disproportionate power. Winnie Peters was a master of the game in his day, basically holding the country to ransom. It also introduced the system of List MPs, who alarmingly answered to no-one.

I reckon STV would create the best balance.

**Jantar** · 31st October 2011, 20:09

I would like MMP if the parties didn't get to make the lists themselves.

The fairest way would be for the lists to be made up of the best performing losing candidates. eg. if a candidate loses by a very close margin (say only 100 votes) then they would be the first name on the list. The more votes a canidate loses by the lower down the list they would go. If a candidate's own electrate doesn't want that person then why should the rest of the country have to put up with him/her?