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    Labour or National have been in charge for the last 20 years or more...surely that means neither of them really know what they're doing, since together they both got us to this point in the first place.

    Either that or it doesn't really matter what they do, we're at the mercy of the global economy.

    I wouldn't believe anything either of them say about ACC or anything else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nerrrd View Post
    I wouldn't believe anything either of them say about ACC or anything else.
    What do you expect? They're just saying what they think you want to hear, that's how you win this game. If that's got little relation to the real world or workable schemes to improve it who's fault is that?

    As long as the voting public believe a better lifestyle comes from anything other than hard work and sensible personal fiscal policy then politicians will continue to offer them bullshit rather than facts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flip View Post
    The wealthy 1% thank you for your vote.
    That is one way of looking at it.

    With effort I am sure a clever lad like you can figure out how that wealthy 1% can pay enough tax for the rest to survive on with their lazy arses on the couch and their gobs firmly stuck to the welfare tit.

    I think the extra ACC charge is a bit unfair, but not as unfair as having to support over 55% of the country through direct or indirect welfare (working for families).

    So be nice to those of us who are wealthy enough to be off any benefit as we are the only ones who actually pay any bills. The rest of the population are bills!

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    Would anyone really vote for a party just because of the ACC levy issue?
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    Quote Originally Posted by riffer View Post
    I have a personal assurance from Chris Hipkins, my local MP and Labour spokesperson for ACC, that they will be removing the ACC component on registration on ALL vehicles.

    Bad news = it will have to come from somewhere, and the price of gas will have to go up to cover it.
    That's not bad news. Pay your share for the time you are exposed to motoring risk, and no pay when not using = much fairer system.
    Mind you, if the bastards add more than around 10c/l we could be forgiven for going postal on their arses...
    Do you realise how many holes there could be if people would just take the time to take the dirt out of them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gremlin View Post
    Probably voting National, but I'm right wing.

    Labour was in charge for 9 of the most prosperous years ever... look where that got us.
    Don't you see the inherent contradiction in what you are saying? Or am I reading it wrong? Surely if Labour was the Government during our most prosperous years, then why not bring them back again ????
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    But that's just it...
    We weren't prosperous because of Labour, any more than we are now struggling because of National.
    Do you realise how many holes there could be if people would just take the time to take the dirt out of them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MSTRS View Post
    But that's just it...
    We weren't prosperous because of Labour, any more than we are now struggling because of National.
    Oh ... ?? That's not what the politicians tell us, nor is it what a lot of people ...

    If we are not prosperous because of the government, nor are we strugglng because of the government .. why then are economic policies so important? because that would mean that economic policies are meaningless ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Woodman View Post
    Would anyone really vote for a party just because of the ACC levy issue?
    People voted for JFK because he wore a blue shirt ..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Banditbandit View Post
    Oh ... ?? That's not what the politicians tell us, nor is it what a lot of people ...

    If we are not prosperous because of the government, nor are we strugglng because of the government .. why then are economic policies so important? because that would mean that economic policies are meaningless ...
    No No No...
    Economic policies are most important.
    What they amount too is Labour spends our money whether we have it or not, to increase our reliance on them, whilst National spends our money whether we have it or not, to increase the wealth of their wealthy mates.

    NZ is an irrelevance on the world stage. No particular strategic importance to the so-called super powers, with a total population less than a quarter of most the world's major cities, no 'important' manufacturing, and totally reliant on what primary produce the world will buy from us and at what price.
    Not to forget our other great 'export'...tourism. If the rest of the world has no money or isn't spending, they don't come here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Banditbandit View Post
    People voted for JFK because he wore a blue shirt ..
    Well the men did. the women just fantasised about him shagging them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by riffer View Post
    I have a personal assurance from Chris Hipkins, my local MP and Labour spokesperson for ACC, that they will be removing the ACC component on registration on ALL vehicles.

    Bad news = it will have to come from somewhere, and the price of gas will have to go up to cover it.
    That wasn't what he put in writing to me in an email earlier this year. The mail is quoted in full on the McSAC thread.
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    Well the latest comment I've seen from Goff regarding ACC levies is in the latest issue of BRM, where he says Labour would 'look at it'........ which is normally political speak for doing fuck all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smifffy View Post
    That wasn't what he put in writing to me in an email earlier this year. The mail is quoted in full on the McSAC thread.
    Link, please. There be thousands of posts and heaps of threads around the McSAC...
    Do you realise how many holes there could be if people would just take the time to take the dirt out of them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MSTRS View Post
    Link, please. There be thousands of posts and heaps of threads around the McSAC...
    You're right, I just had a quick look myself, so here's the whole thing again, since people have such short memories:


    Admittedly this was in March, so if there has been a PUBLICLY WRITTEN statement of intended policy, I'd love to see it. I followed up with his suggested other point of contact and got called an ignorant fool for my trouble.

    Hope this helps.

    Hi Smifffy

    I'm not aware of any commitments that we've made regarding the
    Motorcycle Safety Levy. We're currently working on our manifesto for the
    coming election and I'm sure we will give a clear indication of how we
    see this and other issues affecting motor cycle owners being addressed.

    With regard to the MSAC, I've been keeping in regular contact with Brent
    Hutchison, who is the BRONZ representative on the committee. I was also
    a bit concerned about the late addition of the AA representative. I'd
    suggest that if you want more info on what that group is up to, perhaps
    you might like to get in touch with Brent?

    Hope this helps.

    Cheers

    Chris
    -----Original Message-----

    Sent: Tuesday, 1 March 2011 11:01 p.m.
    To: Chris Hipkins
    Subject: ACC Motorcycle Levy & MC safety advisory council

    Kia Ora Mr Hipkins,

    I am writing to you as an avid motorcyclist to enquire about your
    party's policy regarding the recently introduced Motorcycle Safety Levy.

    I have been told that you made a promise to return the levy to the level
    that it was set prior to the National party led government taking
    office. Is this correct?

    Furthermore I would like to know if you are aware of the activities of
    the recently established Motorcycle Safety Advisory Council, chaired by
    Mr Gareth Morgan?

    I understand that since the establishment and announcement of the
    council, ministerial intervention has resulted in the addition of a
    representative of the AA, an Automobile lobby group, to the council. Is
    this correct?

    In the interests of open and transparent governance, are you able to
    advise interested motorcyclists where they may be able to obtain
    information, and meeting minutes etc pertaining to the activities of
    this group?

    I have had some contact with some people that claim to be members of
    this group via an online motorcycling forum, however they tell me that
    they are unable to provide any information on the groups activities as
    this would be a breach of communication protocol.

    Whilst I believe that motorcycle safety is an issue of national
    importance, I don't think that it is a risk to national security.

    I would very much appreciate any information that you could obtain for
    me regarding this, particularly since the 'communications working group'
    of this council are proving to be so uncommunicative. All we have seen
    since the levies began to be collected is one press release and
    accompanying photo op from the Minister.

    Sincerely
    Smifffy
    Keep on chooglin'

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