The Election - who among us will vote National?

[Usarka]

It's a fact of life that what is good for your or your employers business will ultimately be good for your country.

Ummm, no that's far from fact. Using extreme examples, slave labour would be awesome for busines but not for the country.

Dumping waste would be good for some employers but they have to pay for it to get properly disposed which is good for the country.

Etc.

[DR650gary]

Ummm, no that's far from fact. Using an extreme examples, slave labour would be awesome for busines but not for the country.

Dumping waste would be good for some employers but they have to pay for it to get properly disposed which is good for the country.

Etc.

I think we can all find silly examples, however, China has a form of slave labour and dumps shit whenever possible.

Are they doing ok or have I missed something?

I think you get the basic tenent of my argument.

This country needs employers and employment or the drain will just get bigger and we will drop into it.

Just my opinion.

[Banditbandit]

What? You doubt my financial/political acumen?

Not at all - your analysis just made me laugh very loudly ..

[avgas]

I am voting Guido Fawkes United

They are the only party that could fix NZ Politics.

[Banditbandit]

It's a fact of life that what is good for your or your employers business will ultimately be good for your country.


Cheers

Jeez ... where did you get that idea from?

[Flip]

I see the few dollars that ACC is unjustly taking off me as a lot less onerous that the massive amount that Welfare is taking off me.

Cheers

The cry of the wealthy right wing, "look how poor the poor are making us". I choose to attack this argument as it's an emotive capitalist point of view that holds no water with me.

I am a bit of an old fasioned Kiwi socialist at heart.

[Renegade]

the top 10% wealthy in this country apparently pay 70% of the taxes.

Now the more successful my bosses business is and the more he makes is good for me and the other employees because he takes us along for the ride i.e i have a job, i get regular pay rises.

The boss spends money at other businesses on consumables or plant equipment, i spend money on my toys etc

Its no different in every business area, National needs to drive business growth, where as labour and its red-tape crap like ETS carbon taxes, capital gains etc all strangle this growth.

The selling of assets is the same, no one likes the idea but its standard business model really to free capital to invest in other areas of growth.

It really has to be done, we also need to remember that labour had several terms in power to have us debt free but they didnt, they spent it on socialist policies that have reaped little return.

They are moaning about our military now, Labour are the ones that moth balled the airforce rendering them worthless and wasting millons in maintenance, they bought the Lavs that had to be refitted, they sent the troops to afghanastan.

Some one mentioned trevor mallard, please if i assaulted a fellow employee at work id be down the road, but he keeps his job at $250k a year?? and dont forget Labour breaking the election spending rules only to retrospectively change the law to make it legal!!!!

i could go on and on....National inherited this, now they need time to fix it and one term aint long enough

[DR650gary]

I am a bit of an old fasioned Kiwi socialist at heart.

Good for you. Just explain to me how the poor will ever get further ahead if there are no wealthy people. We just create money? Hitler tried....failed, Mugabe is still trying....still failing.

"Poor" is also part of an emotive phrase.

I have seen poor people throughout the world. New Zealand has no "poor". We do have uneducated sector who have no skills in managing finance and many in a welfare roundabout, but no poor. Poor in every country that I have seen them in have been out working to make a dollar or a Ringit or a Baht etc. Not lurking in a welfare office.

This not meant to be a welfare beatup, but as a nation we need to understand that attacking the "so called" rich with a stick to beat more money out of them to give to the poor (read voters) is Marxism, not socialism. Remember, Helen Clarke was a leading light in the Socialist International Organisation for many years so Marx came naturally to her.

Cheers

[Usarka]

I think we can all find silly examples, however, China has a form of slave labour and dumps shit whenever possible.

Are they doing ok or have I missed something?

A silly blanket statement deserved silly examples. Would you seriously rather live in China than here in NZ????

[Smifffy]

A silly blanket statement deserved silly examples. Would you seriously rather live in China than here in NZ????

I'm sure China is fine for the top 1% (or 10%).

[SPman]

what is good for you or your employers business will ultimately be good for your country.

That really worked well in the USA....Europe.... etc etc , didn't it......

Just explain to me how the poor will ever get further ahead if there are no wealthy people

You wouldn't be espousing the "trickle down" effect there, would you.......so beloved by the neo-cons...... such a total crock of shit in reality.

"Poor" is also part of an emotive phrase.

Agree with you there - "poor" is a state of mind where you become a victim of others - I prefered being "temporarily broke" or "impecunious"......

[Mully]

I'll probably be really unpopular for saying it (KB does tend to the right considerably!), but I am strongly leaning towards party vote Green this year.

Green are not THAT bad, they have become FAR more moderate (and sensible) recently under the new leadership. Gareth Hughes is one to watch I think, young up and comer so to speak.

I'd love to vote Green - I probably agree with more of their policies than any other Party. But a vote for the Greens is a vote for Labour - they've got a while to go before they're mature enough to be in a sensible Government...

Oh, and I've met Gareth Hughes - don't ever meet him if you want to keep liking him. He's the most obnoxious politician I've ever met (including Helen Clark)

Labour, heard the words from Goff's very mouth at the Bikoi

Yep - at that Toy Run thing we did, someone asked Goff if he'd reverse the ACC hikes and his answer was "Yeah, of course we will"....

Nek minnit...

Well the latest comment I've seen from Goff regarding ACC levies is in the latest issue of BRM, where he says Labour would 'look at it'........ which is normally political speak for doing fuck all.

I read something similar a couple of months after the Toy Run - Goff saying "they'd look at it". Politican speak for "nope - rich prick bikers can keep paying it" (think about it - the "poor" don't ride bikes anymore with cheap Jap imports). It's pretty hard for pollies to give up easy revenue....

[superman]

But a vote for the Greens is a vote for Labour

That's my problem, if only the greens would form a coalition with national. I'm sure they do in some alternate universe.

[Robert Taylor]

So far only one party has promised to repeal the ridiculous ACC levy rate for motorbikes in NZ - who will you vote for?

Why would you vote on a single issue when the stark reality is theres more to life than riding motorcycles?

[NONONO]

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Trust me!