The youth...

[Swoop]

the only difference between LA and Otara is guns.

I would have thought the death rate would be the difference. Guns (or other means) are just the tools being used.
Otara wouldn't even rate a mention in comparison with LA, but sadly it influences sections of the Otaran population who seem intent in emulating it.

[scissorhands]

Rob Muldoon thats not culture

[MIXONE]

I say lets all just blame "society".That way there is no personal responsbility to worry about.

[Headbanger]

I think this has been answered pretty well already.

I meant from your perspective, Tell me, whats different now in society compared to when I was that age. You must know after all you dismiss every single thing everyone has contributed to the thread.

Why should anyone have the right to destroy public property?, even if you ignore the fact that the vast majority disapprove of vandalism ( queer fucks like yourself excepted of course) its still a worthless, destructive and costly act.

[SMOKEU]

To those of you from the "PC brigade", how would YOU feel if someone damaged YOUR property? How would YOU feel if someone put a big dent in the petrol tank of YOUR bike, or if someone slashed the tyres of YOUR bike?

If it happens to you I'm sure you'll have a much different attitude, regardless of the personal circumstances of the offender. Even if the offender is caught, you're likely to be paid $5 a week for the damage which is probably going to come out of the offenders benefit.

[Headbanger]

Surely a reasonable and semi-intelligent person wouldn't actually need to suffer destruction of personal property to understand its a shithead course of action and an undesirable result that shouldn't be condoned or permitted on any level.

Of course that doesn't apply to fucktards.

[imdying]

For a kid within a broken family, home and neighbourhood, the only difference between LA and Otara is guns.

I agree, both filled with coons ripe for extermination.

If your hands gets dirty you wash them with soap. You don't try to coax the dirt of with kinds words, and you don't let dirty hands become the new norm. Dirt must be washed away.

[BoristheBiter]

Wow. After reading this whole thread I have come to two conclusions. One, Headbanger is a racist, old, uneducated individual who simply thinks his seniority makes him smart, and two that Jaz knows a thing or two about what he is talking about. Headbanger has misunderstood Jaz's points over and over again, and has replied with vile, ignorant, and silly points of his own. I find it curious that so many people on here have agreed with Headbanger and so few with Jaz. I suppose this is due to the demographic that uses KB. Oh well, posting shit up on forums like this is useless anyways...Nobody is going to change anyone's mind on the subject in the end.

Ride hard and have fun

But have missed the main point by everyone, expect Jaz, that tagging, is not an alright pass time and anyone, regardless of skin colour, that thinks it is, is a dick.

[Winston001]

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I think you'll find the environment for some of these kids stunts them to a point where they may as well be considered children. Not sure why they would respect a "family space" when they have such a broken view of what that means.

Agreed. I think we are talking past one another. Most people understand that there are awful dysfunctional families and the children do not have the values necessary in a decent society.

Fine. Where this discussion goes wrong Jaz is you are perceived to be defending vandalism and anti-social behaviour. Understanding the causes and having compassion is good - but we also need to draw a line. It is perfectly acceptable to say a behaviour is wrong while also understanding damaged individuals.

Wow. After reading this whole thread I have come to two conclusions. Headbanger has misunderstood Jaz's points over and over again, and has replied with vile, ignorant, and silly points of his own.

I find it curious that so many people on here have agreed with Headbanger and so few with Jaz. I suppose this is due to the demographic that uses KB. Oh well, posting shit up on forums like this is useless anyways...Nobody is going to change anyone's mind on the subject in the end.

I think both HB and Jaz have valid points. As often happens on the net we get distracted by hot words and misunderstand each other.

[jazfender]

It was Bogan that you quoted and replied to that suggested the happy medium. Not seen a swastika on his page. Please try to keep up, but I guess that's what happens when you jumble up a whole bunch of different posts into one. I found it a little confusing, but thought you must be able keep up with it all. I guess not.

Damn, I thought that was a little too easy, I should have checked.

To be fair I didn't really think I'd be arguing about caning with MULTIPLE people.

Keep laughing, and keep avoiding the question then. You are wrong.

Well they're not living harmoniously within their communities because their communities are generally not harmonious. That is the major issue here, not petty vandalism. You're just sitting so far up on your high horse you only care about things that directly affect you

Keep making excuses for them. Poor little Wiremu - never picked for the under 14's. They don't have to respect anything, just don't scribble on shit. What do they think would happen if they scribbled their shit on something their mother valued?

I dunno dude, maybe they'd be beaten to death?

Last I checked, Otara wasn't in the 'Naki. I understand why their family & home might be broken, but why is their neighbourhood broken? Probably because of dirty little shits roaming around in groups vandalising and littering the place up.

They do have the potential to make Otara different to LA, but they just keep striving to make it the same. Find a clean area and turn it into a filthy cess pit. Great job! Good on ya mate.

I think you'll find a significant contributing factor to their broken neighbourhoods are the broken families.

And replace Otara with Cook Street if you gonna be picky.

Ahem, this is the dude who wanted the happy medium, and my avatar is a cylonbros back end. Some might say the cylons have a tendency to go for overkill with their population control methods, but that is all history now, and I'm sure they have learnt some compassion since then.


speaking of mediums, what do you call a psychic midget on the run from the cops?

A small medium at large

Sorry, I messed that up.

I would have thought the death rate would be the difference. Guns (or other means) are just the tools being used.
Otara wouldn't even rate a mention in comparison with LA, but sadly it influences sections of the Otaran population who seem intent in emulating it.

You are talking about the overall state of their society including death rate etc, I am talking about from the perspective of the kids within the homes. Neglect, poverty and a broken home looks pretty similar the world over. There may be more guns and more drugs and more whatever but saying they should just harden the fuck up because it's 'worse over there' is flawed and doesn't really apply in my view.

I meant from your perspective, Tell me, whats different now in society compared to when I was that age. You must know after all you dismiss every single thing everyone has contributed to the thread.

Why should anyone have the right to destroy public property?, even if you ignore the fact that the vast majority disapprove of vandalism ( queer fucks like yourself excepted of course) its still a worthless, destructive and costly act.

Few main things off the top of my head - wider disparity between social underclass and the majority, increased population/strain on resources and if the media is to be believed, increased and worsening rate of child abuse.

I am not arguing for people to have the right to destroy public property, I'm arguing against gungho dicks like you trying to take the law into your own hands and claiming you are solving society's issues by confronting the end RESULT of a fucked social issue.

I agree, both filled with coons ripe for extermination.

If your hands gets dirty you wash them with soap. You don't try to coax the dirt of with kinds words, and you don't let dirty hands become the new norm. Dirt must be washed away.

The thing I don't get about you racist fucks is that you go on about society's virtues and doing the right thing and being respectful to others and all this shit but share the views of a fascist dictator which the majority of society considers the most evil person in modern history. What is that?

[imdying]

The thing I don't get about you racist fucks is that you go on about society's virtues and doing the right thing and being respectful to others and all this shit but share the views of a fascist dictator which the majority of society considers the most evil person in modern history. What is that?

Not racist at all; it's you that segregated it out to being Otara, which as you very well know, is full of coons.

Perhaps if you'd been a little less racist and considered the whole country people could address the problems in society in a manner other than the one you have twisted towards.

[Ronin]

Wow. After reading this whole thread I have come to two conclusions. One, Headbanger is a racist, old, uneducated individual who simply thinks his seniority makes him smart, and two that Jaz knows a thing or two about what he is talking about. Headbanger has misunderstood Jaz's points over and over again, and has replied with vile, ignorant, and silly points of his own. I find it curious that so many people on here have agreed with Headbanger and so few with Jaz. I suppose this is due to the demographic that uses KB. Oh well, posting shit up on forums like this is useless anyways...Nobody is going to change anyone's mind on the subject in the end.

Ride hard and have fun

Well, I know for a fact you are wrong about HB. He is neither old, racist or uneducated.

He is a bloody good troll though.

[Headbanger]

Well, I know for a fact you are wrong about HB. He is neither old, racist or uneducated.

He is a bloody good troll though.

Muhahahahaha

This thread has exceeded all expectations.

[jazfender]

Not racist at all; it's you that segregated it out to being Otara, which as you very well know, is full of coons.

Perhaps if you'd been a little less racist and considered the whole country people could address the problems in society in a manner other than the one you have twisted towards.

You win the thread bro.

[jazfender]

Muhahahahaha

This thread has exceeded all expectations.