The youth...

[jazfender]

Blaming impressionable kids for adopting a pervasive culture is fucking retarded.

[Indiana_Jones]

Blaming impressionable kids for adopting a pervasive culture is fucking retarded.

I'm from the same generation as a lot of these people, but I can't for the life of me see the appeal in driving in a $300 car with $3000 wheels, wear a silly hat with a straight peak, listen to nothing but bass in my car and spend the other half of my time pulling my pants up.....the ladies love seeing boxers........

-Indy

[unstuck]

Hopefully most of them will grow out of it.Some of them will turn out to be career criminals and maybe a few will join a real gang,but most will grow up one day. The thing that fucks me off the most is broken piss bottles everywhere. We have all done stupid shit when we were kids.I try talking to them these days,its amazing that no one seems to give a fuck about most of them, or gives a shit about what things they could be interested in. We had a couple off wannabe gang bangers hangin around our area a couple of years ago getting up to this kind of shit and I made a point of getting to know them. Bloody nice young blokes they turned out to be. Unfortunatley one of them died sniffing petrol with some other kids not long ago, but the other one loves bikes and I still take him out riding every now and then, and he seems to be getting interested in learning about heavy machinery,so I am hopeful that maybe I have found a way to deal with these guys without using violence, which is how I used to deal with everything.

[SMOKEU]

The trouble is also the weak justice system, and the ideology of diminished responsibility which also occurs with adults. "It's not his fault he robbed a convenience store and bashed the store clerk unconscious, it's because he was abused as a child". Or "It's not really his fault that he got drunk then beat someone up and stole their wallet, it's society's fault because there are too many liquor stores around" etc.

The justice system needs to take a good, hard look at itself and nip the problem in the bud. Take steps to prevent youth crime BEFORE it gets worse.

A while ago I used to work in a supermarket and there is a big park next to the supermarket. I often had to work late nights there over the weekends. In the park there would usually be a large group of youths mostly aged between 13-18, hanging out getting drunk, tagging etc. On several occasions these youths severely beat and robbed innocent people who were walking home minding their own business. The police would get involved, but the next weekend these same people would be out doing the same thing and nothing would get done about it.

The previous Labour government are partially to blame for this, and National has done nothing to stop it. Everyone deserves a second chance, that's why we have the police diversion scheme. People don't deserve a third, fourth, fifth etc chance.

[Headbanger]

What did you do?

signed,

Curious of Christchurch

They scarpered, I chased them as far as the end of my drive where a car was waiting, They jumped in the car ,engine screaming, I stopped, They stalled the car, then sat there staring at me, The one nearest looked at me and goes "how is it bro?" as the numbnuts tried to start the car, I laughed and thought fuck I wish I had my bat.




Now, if you had asked me about the 2 that tried to stab me with screw drivers when I didn't hand over my steak burger....................

[unstuck]

The trouble is also the weak justice system, and the ideology of diminished responsibility which also occurs with adults. "It's not his fault he robbed a convenience store and bashed the store clerk unconscious, it's because he was abused as a child". Or "It's not really his fault that he got drunk then beat someone up and stole their wallet, it's society's fault because there are too many liquor stores around" etc.

The justice system needs to take a good, hard look at itself and nip the problem in the bud. Take steps to prevent youth crime BEFORE it gets worse.

A while ago I used to work in a supermarket and there is a big park next to the supermarket. I often had to work late nights there over the weekends. In the park there would usually be a large group of youths mostly aged between 13-18, hanging out getting drunk, tagging etc. On several occasions these youths severely beat and robbed innocent people who were walking home minding their own business. The police would get involved, but the next weekend these same people would be out doing the same thing and nothing would get done about it.

The previous Labour government are partially to blame for this, and National has done nothing to stop it. Everyone deserves a second chance, that's why we have the police diversion scheme. People don't deserve a third, fourth, fifth etc chance.

Agreed.

[F5 Dave]

Blaming impressionable kids for adopting a pervasive culture is fucking retarded.

Are you saying that is is the stupid kids adopting a stupid culture when obviously most kids don't try to be gangsta wannabes? Well I didn't want to infer that. Clearly they are not trying to better themselves by going to school.

And why are you having a go at the intellectually handicapped? That's not very nice.

[scumdog]

Blaming impressionable kids for adopting a pervasive culture is fucking retarded.

True, as long as they're not harming anybody (but themselves) or damaging property of others let 'em do what they want.

Chances are that in a fair number of cases they'll be thinking in a few years "what the hell were we thinking" when they see themselves in saggy-arsed britches etc...or when they have their kid in a back-pack and realise the peak of the backward-facing hat jabs the kid in the face with each step..

[JimO]

Dude you are a typical fucking ignorant racist.

It's about us not respecting them but for them to respect us? What is that shit?

what do these shitheads do that desirves respecting

[SMOKEU]

True, as long as they're not harming anybody (but themselves) or damaging property of others let 'em do what they want.

Chances are that in a fair number of cases they'll be thinking in a few years "what the hell were we thinking" when they see themselves in saggy-arsed britches etc...or when they have their kid in a back-pack and realise the peak of the backward-facing hat jabs the kid in the face with each step..

That's an argument right there for legalizing pot. If people are allowed to damage their own bodies by being an alcoholic or being morbidly obese costing the taxpayers thousands of $ for obesity related diseases, then adults should have the choice to toke up legally if they want to.

[meteor]

Shot on sight of tagging would scare a few of them off you'd hope

-Indy

Actually one was stabbed and died in Manurewa only a few years ago and the tagging stopped overnight...

[ellipsis]

....cant spray fuck all on a seven strand fence....I have had some dorklanders shift in up the road tho...now that is a problem....if I go and beat fuck out of them with a big stick they may leave...thanks for the idea....

[toycollector10]

There was a tough little shit that gave me grief from when I was aged 5 to about 18. Son of a Polish immigrant. Well, he gradually lost his mates. Had no money later on because of the alcohol. Obviously unemployed. I last saw him aged about 30 but looking like 50 sitting in a gutter in a mall parking lot vomiting it the middle of the day. This is probably the eventual ending for the taggers. They know how to destroy, deface, fuck up and how to generally cause people to despise them but it eventually catches up with them. I ain't got no sympathy. Fuckers! Just about as sad as the late 20's guy, could have been 30, in bare feet charging on his skateboard up at Riccarton this week. Thought he was still 16 and hip I'm guessing. Wrong. Time to grow up dude and make some sort of contribution. You know, give something back instead of taking all the time. I love to generalise of course, but all you leftie, soft cocks know it's true!

[Winston001]

Are you saying that kids tagging rubbish bins is a 'problem' that 'is so big'?.

What this country needs is more people like you, telling off those naughty naughty 'niggers' for goin around 'being black' and BLIGHTING our communities!

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I'm no fan of kneejerk racism or rednecks. However I honestly don't think that is an issue here. Youth of any background tagging defacing or breaking other peoples property is wrong. It's nasty disrespectful stuff. If someone spraypainted your bike Jaz, you'd be a saint if you weren't at least slightly annoyed. If someone wandered into your home and scribbled on the walls, you'd be astonished and unimpressed.

Public spaces belong to all of us and deserve to be respected by all of us. I don't want my young children examining crude penis drawings and abusive language when I take them to the park. I don't want my dear old mum to see it either.

I know, vandalism sounds small-time. It isn't murder or burglary or drug dealing. However it is a signature - of disrespect and arrogance towards the rest of society who provide the parks, the schools, the hospitals - all for free.

Similarly cruelty to animals is a signature of a potential violent offender. If we ignore the nasty small stuff we encourage the larger dangerous stuff.

[Winston001]

Incidentally the only time I've caught some yoof doing the same vandalism as Headbanger, they were of European descent. White, loud, and sulky. But they walked away.