The youth...

[ducatilover]

Bollocks, it has to do with right and wrong. It doesn't matter whether you are on the bones of your arse or have millions you still know right from wrong.

Call it what you like, graffiti, art, tagging, it is all just plain old common vandalism and should be dealt with accordingly.

Bring back the orange jumpsuit.

One doesn't care for right or wrong when they have never been given a reason for caring.
If there were repercussions and decent parenting involved there would be far less fuckwittery out there.

[george formby]

Slowly but surely the cries of the morally indignant have rendered adults powerless to "educate" kids right from wrong, what is acceptable behaviour & what is not. Teachers, Police, neighbours etc can do nothing to correct an kid living on a diet of internet, violent video games, gangsta rap etc when they take it to the street.

When I we're a lad etc etc I knew that if I over stepped the mark & got caught I was going to get a proper bollocking off somebody, any adult who caught me. It did not stop me doing stuff but certainly made me think about it. That's just the nature of youth, pushing the boundaries til it hurts.

Our entertainment culture is violent & destructive & at the same time community is breaking down, nobody says boo anymore in case they get into trouble.

I blame the Sue Bradfords & her predecessors world wide for causing fear in the community & plain old stupidity for not recognising that kids are shaped by their peers, even if they are on you tube.

The problems of unemployment & education have not changed much, but the expectations of society have. So now we have no limits & no control.

[Indiana_Jones]

All this talk if youth and rebellion....

Now I have 'White riot' blasting out on my turntable....

fuck I feel old

-Indy

[scissorhands]

Absolutely, although what the majority of society may deem a scribble is seen as something entirely different within that culture.

How come you dont see tags on island churches or island businesses or homes?

[jazfender]

How come you dont see tags on island churches or island businesses or homes?

I haven't particularly noticed and don't know.

One of the "rules" around tagging used to be that you don't tag homes but I'm not sure if that's still adhered to.

[scumdog]

Chumpbanger most probably reinforced their idea of cool because they sure as fuck don't wanna be like him.

Start bagging the messenger and not the message and your argument will lose any credibility with me.

But I guess you don't give a toss about THAT though...

[scumdog]

I wonder how many people are sitting around verbalizing their disaproval about tagging and vandalism, while their kids are at the mall or park with a marker or can, leaving their mark.

Not my boys.

They had heard enough of my opinions of the slack-jawed mouth-breathing paint-stealing beanie-wearing saggy-arsed pant wearing taggers and vandals to risk being like them...funny how a few years later so many of the above described ended up sitting around outside the Court house sucking on a cigarette while waiting to be called up...

[unstuck]

Not my boys.

They had heard enough of my opinions of the slack-jawed mouth-breathing paint-stealing beanie-wearing saggy-arsed pant wearing taggers and vandals to risk being like them...funny how a few years later so many of the above described ended up sitting around outside the Court house sucking on a cigarette while waiting to be called up...

Good to hear. And it is cool to sit around outside the court house, spitting and smoking. I found my daughters tag on the side of the local paper plus so I went and rounded her up and took her home to get a bucket and cleaning products then took her back to clean it off after taking her into the shop to apologize. Was quite a few kids there too, but most of them kept quiet. Dont think she ever did it again.

[Swoop]

Your concept of fame most likely differs from theirs.

Quite true. Having some "yoof" raise their eyebrow and say "chur" means very little, quite frankly.

Teachers, Police, neighbours etc can do nothing to correct an kid...

A mate in the ecilops sees things quite differently. Dark night = a good wallop and sent off home and nothing more is said. Do it again and the rules are entirely different.
Good to see some sensible policing happening still.

[ellipsis]

....I kinda liked it when culture had a barbaric ring to it...and fucking with others property went with a price...

[paturoa]

You think vandalism is a serious problem in our society?

I've read this entire thread and are unclear on your views, specifically:

1) Do you think it is OK to tag / vandalise public and private property?
2) Is your issue with how hb called it out to the scum them selves at the time or how he wrote about it on an internet forum?
3) Your full of thoughts on how its everyone's fault 'cept the vandals themselves, have you noticed that the more this meme pervades, the worse "it" gets?
4) If it is not OK / racist for hb to say "shitskins" and "nigger", isn't it also not / OK racist for you to say "fat white old men"? (reference here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypocrite )
5) Is it OK for me to call them scum or does that make me a "fat white old man" too (you forgot bald, so obviously your prejudices / racism doen't extend as far as hbs!)
6) What is you view on solutions other than to tell ducfucker that he (me?) needs to provide jobs and training?

[JimO]

i have 3 boys, none of them tag, none of their mates tag, in fact there is very little tagging in dunedin, possibly because there aren't many little black cunts about

[unstuck]

Heaps of white kids tag too man.

[98tls]

What's the problem bro, that you gotta share a country with "shitskins"?

Not the colour of your skin that fucks me off its your attitude,havent bothered reading the pages past your reply as theres no need its pretty obvious your just another using the colour of your skin to cry foul,get over it eh nobody gives a shit what colour you are but wether pink/brown purple or red start trying to make people feel like you should get special treatment because of it then you will cop some flak.So fucking simple really eh.

[SMOKEU]

i have 3 boys, none of them tag, none of their mates tag, in fact there is very little tagging in dunedin, possibly because there aren't many little black cunts about

Heaps of white kids tag too man.

That's why I'm glad I live in a white neighbourhood. I've lived at this place for around 3 years and they only tag I've seen in this area is a swastika spray painted onto the pavement just down the road from me. I can walk the streets and I only see a nigger maybe once every 2 weeks or so around here.

Ever noticed the trend where the blacker the area, the more crime that exists?