It will never happen to me attitude

[p.dath]

Hypothetical situation. Mr motobycyclist has the basic gear and is given a gift of $400 to spend on his choice of EITHER atgatt riding gear or a week long rider training course. Which would serve him better??
I genuinely feel that prevention is going to save a lot more lives and injuries than all the gear in the world.

Tough call. $400 isn't going to get you much more than "basic gear" that the rider already has. I'm assuming basic gear includes helmet, gloves, boots, jacket and protective pants of some kind.

So that being the case, and acknowledging that $400 isn't going to get them any significant increase in the level of protection, then training stands to have a better return for the money invested.

[imdying]

That's a bit harsh.
Of course you are right in saying the 'best' gear will do the best job of protecting. However, any gear that is designed for the job of giving your skin etc a chance is better than everyday clothes.
Which is the point - the attempt is being made to mitigate injury, rather than simply believing "it won't happen to me"

Not harsh at all. You can't bitch about the level at which other people think is appropriate when your own level is below par.

Even wearing just a helmet is mitigating injury. If somebody is happy with that level, then there's no reason not to leave them to it. It's a bit galling to be berated by somebody who isn't even applying the maximum mitigation steps themselves.

[MSTRS:Me]

Not harsh at all. You can't bitch about the level at which other people think is appropriate when your own level is below par.

Even wearing just a helmet is mitigating injury. If somebody is happy with that level, then there's no reason not to leave them to it. It's a bit galling to be berated by somebody who isn't even applying the maximum mitigation steps themselves.

Sorry, can't agree with that. Someone who takes the trouble to cover up with motorcycle-specific gear has the moral highground when it comes to comparing to someone who does the legal minimum.
Of course, it's all in the delivery if/when 'berating'...
The OP shot herself in the foot when she stated that she is a firm believer in ATGATT yet sometimes rides without it.

[Ocean1]

Someone who takes the trouble to cover up with motorcycle-specific gear has the moral highground when it comes to comparing to someone who does the legal minimum.

Only if their morals are dependant on the comparative behaviour of others.

In other words, hypocrites.

[MSTRS:Me]

This is yet again going down the path of the unwinnable argument.

There is simply one immutable fact in the whole debate...gear mitigates injury.

[Ragingrob]

Sorry, can't agree with that. Someone who takes the trouble to cover up with motorcycle-specific gear has the moral highground when it comes to comparing to someone who does the legal minimum.
Of course, it's all in the delivery if/when 'berating'...
The OP shot herself in the foot when she stated that she is a firm believer in ATGATT yet sometimes rides without it.

Do Asian people wearing face masks have the moral highground over the rest of us?

[HenryDorsetCase]

Do Asian people wearing face masks have the moral highground over the rest of us?

the ugly ones do

[Berries]

This is yet again going down the path of the unwinnable argument.

There is simply one immutable fact in the whole debate...gear mitigates injury.

I think every man and his dog would agree with that. What gets me is when someone proclaims that their level of gear wearing is the best, and anyone who dresses below that standard is a twat, as in the OP. Imdying wasn't harsh, he was spot on. If you aren't wearing the 'ultimate' gear, whatever flavour that is today, one piece airbag suits, back protectors or helmet mounted strobe lights, you can shove your ATGATT comments up your arse. Not you personally like, just all the high priests and priestesses of ATGATT. If it works for you then fill your boots, but keep me out of it.

I saw a guy riding a bike down the main street yesterday in a leather jacket and shorts. My first thought?

Fat bastard.

Do Asian people wearing face masks have the moral highground over the rest of us?

Only if they stand on a box.

[p.dath]

Why is it that you see Motorcyclist riding their bikes in Shorts, T-Shirts and Runners with the only piece of protection they are wearing is a Helmet.
Do they not think of the concequences of what could happen to them is they got bold off their machine and what the outcome could be for themselves.
Why protect your head if the rest of your body is left unprotected.

I was looking at NZ mortality statistics yesterday, and I see about 50% more people die of Melanoma skin cancer than from motorcycles each year.

I hope now everyone is going to start wearing full body protective sun suits.

[Berries]

I bet if you look closely it'll be those twats riding motorbikes with no protective clothing. Because you are moving faster the gamma rays from the sun hit you at a higher speed meaning they can get further in to the old dermis. Because they get so deep , and at the acute angle caused by riding a bike, they don't fall out at night while you are asleep, compounding the issue.

I've not yet linked the horrific drowning death rate with motorcyclists but am working on it. Be something to do with open face helmets I am sure.

[imdying]

Nothing personal.

You pick your level and you take your chances. As it should be.

Just like riding a bike at all.

Next step is they dictate what we can ride in.

That'll suck to be a student previously able to ride their $500 scooter to after study employment when they find they can't because they need another $1000 in safety gear.

Next step after that is they ban bikes completely when they figure out that ATGATT doesn't actually stop solid objects from killing bikers.

Rode the blade to work in dress pants today, yesterday it was full armour. That's my business, not yours.

[nzmikey]

There will no doubt be a law change in the future on minimum safety gear, and it will cost millions of dollars for a team of non motorcyclists to come up with the plan for what needs to be said new minimum. If they took those millions and trained riders to actually ride, there would be a MUCH faster and HEAPS more notable difference in injuries resulting from bike crashes.

Drew that will never happen dude , come on ....... Thats logic & it would work , here in NZ we dont use common sense like that lol I have been talking about rider training for ages & how there is a lack off it , The problem is if the desk jockey muppets from ACC get involved & tell people how to ride we will be no better off .

( but I do agree with you )
god help me

[bluninja]

Maybe we need this ...not quite ATGATT...needs a shield lance and sword

[awa355]

As an ex Ambo officer, do any of you ATGATT riders realise how hard leather is to cut through? Bluntens those multi purpose sissors in no time. And they're not cheap.


A torn bloody T shirt is much easier to cut away.

[Duke girl]

As an ex Ambo officer, do any of you ATGATT riders realise how hard leather is to cut through? Bluntens those multi purpose sissors in no time. And they're not cheap.


A torn bloody T shirt is much easier to cut away.

lf you were wearing a T-Shirt there wouldn't be anything left to cut away. Problem solved.