Is John Key the man to lead NZ?

[shrub]

Im very calm, its just that I have intense hatred for Clark

I can well imagine you do, she would have threatened your beliefs and challenged everything you hold dear.

[Robert Taylor]

I can well imagine you do, she would have threatened your beliefs and challenged everything you hold dear.

Thats absolutely correct. I can remember a time when we had well bred gentlemen upstanding politicians like Keith Holyoake, John Marshall, Brian Talboys and David Thompson.

[shrub]

Thats absolutely correct. I can remember a time when we had well bred gentlemen upstanding politicians like Keith Holyoake, John Marshall, Brian Talboys and David Thompson.

I'd add Bill Rowling and Geoffrey Palmer to that list, but as they discovered, that just doesn't cut it. Phil Goff is also a hard working, honest man with a lot of integrity, but he is seen as weak. Helen Clark was tough as nails with a mind like a steel trap, and a lot of conservative men found that really frightening because it challenged the basis of their worldview - that men are the strong ones who make decisions and lead whereas women are weak and indecisive. As a result we saw almost constant personal attacks on her sexuality and her looks, yet I never once saw her respond in kind, and apart from at Waitangi I never saw her show that these attacks were having any influence on her, yet according to someone who knew her well, they did get to her. To me that is the mark of a strong leader, they don't let their feelings get in the way of what they have to do.

So why do you hate Helen Clark?

[Swoop]

Really?

After the Falklands War it was revealed that the British government and the Secret Intelligence Service were extremely concerned by the perceived inadequacy of the Royal Navy's anti-missile defences against Exocet missiles and their potential to tip the naval war decisively in favour of Argentine forces.

Yes, really.
The ships' shortcomings would not have been a problem if they were used intelligently by The Flag (Woodward).
Those ships lost during the landings were in one position and a massive target. The others lost "out at sea" were lost due to inept tactical use.

After the war, anyone could sit down with 20/20 hindsight and see faults, which they did, and then attend to them accordingly. Sea Cat went and Sea Wolf was far more popular, for example.

Sir Galahad & Sir Tristram were another classic example of poor tactics and a lack of Flag intelligence.

San Carlos landing losses would have been far less if the fucking media had been gagged during that time...


The critical point was the tactics and losses were primarily because of them.

[ellipsis]

.....The government today announced that it is changing its emblem from a Union Jack to a CONDOM because it more accurately reflects the government's political stance. A condom allows for inflation, halts production, destroys the next generation, protects a bunch of pricks, and gives you a sense of security while you're actually being screwed....

[oldrider]

Original thread question:
Is John Key the man to lead NZ?
For me personally ... "NO" ... but there is nobody else currently on offer who comes even close! (doesn't say much for the country IMHO)

[avgas]

"'Righteous hatred' is in the same category as 'righteous cancer' or 'righteous tuberculosis'. All of them are absurd concepts."

Not really.
1 is an emotional response. i.e. something created from nothing.
2 & 3 are effectively called "fate" - being the complete opposite of 1.

absurd concepts simply require development to complex ideas. Don't believe me - whats the fastest thing in the universe?

[Usarka]

Don't believe me - whats the fastest thing in the universe?

Ethiopian running toward a food parcel?

[Maha]

Original thread question:
Is John Key the man to lead NZ?
For me personally ... "NO" ... but there is nobody else currently on offer who comes even close! (doesn't say much for the country IMHO)

He must be highly thought of by Air NZ at least, they diverted a flight to NP last night to pick him up so he could rejoin the ''Bus Tour'' in Auckland today...I guess the bus drove there...

[Usarka]

He must be highly thought of by Air NZ at least, they diverted a flight to NP last night to pick him up so he could rejoin the ''Bus Tour'' in Auckland today...I guess the bus drove there...

That was strategically planned. He'll use it as justification for the presidential Prime Ministerial jet that they're planning to buy next year.

[Edbear]

I do love conspiracy theories. He just happened to be one of the stranded passengers that were collected. The plane would have diverted anyway whether he was there or not.

[Brian d marge]

has anyone answered the original question.......

No... is my answer


Stephen

[superman]

I do love conspiracy theories. He just happened to be one of the stranded passengers that were collected. The plane would have diverted anyway whether he was there or not.

People like reading sensationalist headlines and not going near the actual article.

Goff sure has explaining to do about his Police recruitment outbursts...

[superman]

has anyone answered the original question.......

No... is my answer

Stephen

Better than anyone else running is my answer.

[bogan]

Original thread question:
Is John Key the man to lead NZ?
For me personally ... "NO" ... but there is nobody else currently on offer who comes even close! (doesn't say much for the country IMHO)

Exactly, my choice this year was based on who will do the least damage. And my conclusion is to split the vote to even out the failing I perceive in the different parties. Strangely enough, after splitting my vote, I'll be going for STV to replace MMP as well.