Is John Key the man to lead NZ?

[MisterD]

has anyone answered the original question.......

No... is my answer

On the basis that over half the population appear to say he's their preferred option, the answer would have to be 'yes', wouldn't it? S'called democracy.

Be thankful you're not Greek or Italian with EU-installed puppet regimes.

[Scuba_Steve]

I would say No, no-one from any of the "major" parties are "the man" to lead NZ, which is exactly why I'm voting a "minor" party

[Usarka]

Sue Bradford is the man....

[Robert Taylor]

I'd add Bill Rowling and Geoffrey Palmer to that list, but as they discovered, that just doesn't cut it. Phil Goff is also a hard working, honest man with a lot of integrity, but he is seen as weak. Helen Clark was tough as nails with a mind like a steel trap, and a lot of conservative men found that really frightening because it challenged the basis of their worldview - that men are the strong ones who make decisions and lead whereas women are weak and indecisive. As a result we saw almost constant personal attacks on her sexuality and her looks, yet I never once saw her respond in kind, and apart from at Waitangi I never saw her show that these attacks were having any influence on her, yet according to someone who knew her well, they did get to her. To me that is the mark of a strong leader, they don't let their feelings get in the way of what they have to do.

So why do you hate Helen Clark?

Simple, what she stood for on a lot of issues and how she ( ? ) went about it. Her dismantling of the Air Combat Wing was also extremely callous and calculated by also getting rid of the long established infrastructure. Total destruction.

I agrre with respect to Bill Rowling and Geoffrey Plamer, Mike Moore and perhaps Hugh Watt can be added to that list

[Robert Taylor]

Yes, really.
The ships' shortcomings would not have been a problem if they were used intelligently by The Flag (Woodward).
Those ships lost during the landings were in one position and a massive target. The others lost "out at sea" were lost due to inept tactical use.

After the war, anyone could sit down with 20/20 hindsight and see faults, which they did, and then attend to them accordingly. Sea Cat went and Sea Wolf was far more popular, for example.

Sir Galahad & Sir Tristram were another classic example of poor tactics and a lack of Flag intelligence.

San Carlos landing losses would have been far less if the fucking media had been gagged during that time...


The critical point was the tactics and losses were primarily because of them.

Exocet missiles were ''hit and miss'' with respect to their reliability, thats just as well. In fairness the Argie pilots who did the low level raids gave a good account of themselves

[Robert Taylor]

I do love conspiracy theories. He just happened to be one of the stranded passengers that were collected. The plane would have diverted anyway whether he was there or not.

Goff is clutching at as many straws as he can, assisted by the left wing media

[Edbear]

Goff is clutching at as many straws as he can, assisted by the left wing media

I think the media feel a bit sorry for him... Of course it may smply be a way to hike ratings...

I do have to laugh, (cynically!), at the blatanly obvious way the media sensationalise the headlines irrespective of fact in order to promote their channel!

And the way their reporters pursue those involved like rabid dogs. No wonder there is an inquiry in the UK learning just how criminal the media have been in their blind, singleminded drive to get the best ratings and how they use suffering, and even cause suffering in order to get "the story"!

Even after it was clearly corrected by the Minister of Police, the media still promoted the issue of whether there was a halt on recruitment as though it was a new charge in order to promote their upcoming news. Never let the facts get in the way of a good story, eh?

[shrub]

Simple, what she stood for on a lot of issues and how she ( ? ) went about it. Her dismantling of the Air Combat Wing was also extremely callous and calculated by also getting rid of the long established infrastructure. Total destruction.

Interesting. So your hatred is based on her engaging in a cost cutting measure where she transferred the resources from a division ion a government department that was costing a shitload and contributing nothing to the economy to other sectors within the same entity. Would you have been as angry if she had closed down the Ministry of Maori Affairs and transferred the staff and resources the ministry of social development?

Mate, I loved the old A4s as much as anyone, and i would have loved to watch the F16s at air shows and shit, but they had never been needed - not even in the Vietnam war, and haven't been needed since or in the predictable future. They were designed for the Korean war and based on WW2 military thinking. A modern strike force is only ever likely to be needed in Europe or central Asia, and even then it's very unlikely. In the incredibly unlikely chance of us getting attacked by any military force, a dozen aging fighters would last about an hour.

You allow your emotions to rule you too much mate.

[avgas]

Ethiopian running toward a food parcel?

Nah according "the gods must be crazy" is a 4wd winching itself up a tree.

[avgas]

has anyone answered the original question.......

No... is my answer


Stephen

My answer is also no. But then again - I don't like anyone else either.
Can you be my prime minister?

[jasonu]

Thats absolutely correct. I can remember a time when we had well bred gentlemen upstanding politicians like Keith Holyoake, John Marshall, Brian Talboys and David Thompson.

It wasn't that long ago...

[SPman]

Thats absolutely correct. I can remember a time when we had well bred gentlemen upstanding politicians like Keith Holyoake, John Marshall, Brian Talboys and David Thompson.

Ah yes - "Gentleman Jack" Marshall, who was as adept at knifing rivals in the back as any politician we've ever had......Brian the Talboy wonder,..... that smarmy bastard Keith Holyoake - and we think Key crawls up the US arse.......yes, they were upstanding politicians, because they knew how to "play the game" according to the old boys club rulebook - keep their dirtywork out of the public eye and smile benignly while they did it.......but they were of a different era and played by the rules and ethos of that era, an era of generally full employment and a more cohesive, egalitarian society.
However, times move on........

[Edbear]

Nah according "the gods must be crazy" is a 4wd winching itself up a tree.

Loved that movie!

[SPman]

Really?
The Ships.
Superstructures made of highly flammable material.
Limited range.
Bed mattresses of PU foam - cause of most of the deaths.

Don't forget the man-made fibres, the uniforms were made of......melted and stuck to the flesh very efficiently! - but - they were cheaper than the cotton/woolen/natural fibre, fire semi resistant uniforms that we wore.....

[Hinny]

So why do you hate Helen Clark?

Simple, what she stood for on a lot of issues and how she ( ? ) went about it. Her dismantling of the Air Combat Wing was also extremely callous and calculated by also getting rid of the long established infrastructure. Total destruction.

I'm interested in an answer to that question as well.
The only one I have heard from you seems rather bizarre when you consider: it was a former Nat. cabinet minister that recommended it and as a few earlier intelligent, well-researched posts pointed out; it was the right thing to do.