Is John Key the man to lead NZ?

[shrub]

I think it was also tactical; if the vote was for change, better MMP lost to something it could easily beat.

No, I think it was more a case of FPP being at the top of the list and not many people understanding any other options. Also even if you voted to keep MMP you were asked to vote for an alternative.

But he's that nice Mr Key and he was an investment wanker... surely he will manage the economy better?

The simple truth is 90% of NZ can't understand the various parties' plans and assess how realistic they are, and what they will cost financially and socially.

The Epsom thing pisses me off. Labour and the Greens shouldn't have even stood candidates, and the voters there who voted for them are morons. I wonder what they thought they were going to achieve? Had their vote gone to Goldsmith we could be rid of Act, finally. Ditto the Greens in Ohariu, although that's tougher, as Dunne, for all his weaknesses, is a worthier candidate than Banks.

Still, good result for the Greens. And as this is Kiwibiker, particular congratulations to Dave Clendon!

Pretty well on the money and Dave will be well pleased. He's a pretty smart guy as well as being a passionate biker (GSX1400).

[rainman]

Dave will be well pleased. He's a pretty smart guy as well as being a passionate biker (GSX1400).

Has he upgraded? I thought he rode an SV thou. Actually, would that even be an upgrade?

[shrub]

Has he upgraded? I thought he rode an SV thou. Actually, would that even be an upgrade?

yeah, he's had the GSX for a while. I rate them, I had a play on one a couple of years ago, and they're kind of big and dumb but fuck they haul ass.

[Swoop]

... look this is about humour.
Sue Bradford being the realist and arguably the most successful politician of the modern era was being sincere, truthful and accurate.

That post really should be in "jokes and humour". sue badford??

...if Key had come out as a crack dealing homosexual who beat his mother up and supported the Wallabies.

He would then be much more suited to representing labour. Who is in the running for the new labour leader? Shane "have a wank on the taxpayer's money" Jones?
I guess Tuesday will be interesting.

I actually this was the more important question.
It shows that most are divided over this and I thought the most surprising was that if it did change that most want it to go back to FPP.

No, this shows kiwis are politically stupid and fail to think for themselves when it comes to technical issues such as an electoral system.

If I said "I will win the Isle of Mann in 2014, support me please" anyone with a brain would laugh and ask"...

Where exactly the "Isle of Mann" is located.

[BoristheBiter]

No, this shows kiwis are politically stupid and fail to think for themselves when it comes to technical issues such as an electoral system.
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Yeah that to.

[SPman]

Better than a left wing one ever.

A rogering is a rogering - whoever is doing it.......you still end up fucked!

What does it say about how much we valued the alternative policy sets on offer?

Did most people even look at what was on offer?.....

[BMWST?]

Thats absolutely correct. I can remember a time when we had well bred gentlemen upstanding politicians like Keith Holyoake, John Marshall, Brian Talboys and David Thompson.

and subsidies and import licenses and 6 oclock closing..were they a good thing?.

[FJRider]

... and 6 oclock closing..were they a good thing?.

It got MOST of the drunks OFF the roads ... earlier ...

[BMWST?]

No, I think it was more a case of FPP being at the top of the list and not many people understanding any other options. Also even if you voted to keep MMP you were asked to vote for an alternative.

it was quite clear on my paper that you could vote for either part a or part b..you didnt have to vote for an alternative at all.Nor did you have to vote for or against mmp

[Ocean1]

Did most people even look at what was on offer?.....

They can't have done, or they'd have voted they way you did, eh?

Fuck they're stupid.

[scumdog]

Im pissed off this shit has become an election issue.

Im ignoring it, I don't give a shit whats on the tape.

Me too.

Just a media beat-up imho.

[scumdog]

Read the "elections" part on this site:

http://rwrnz.blogspot.com/

People like John Key are race traitors, and it's because of people like him that the white race is slowly dying off day by day. NZ is becoming infested by immigrants, and state assets are being sold off more and more often. NZ is going to be a third world slum in a few decades if JK has his way. Never vote for a Jewish PM.

Are you REALLY a fuckwit?

Or just REALLY good at pretending to be one??

[scumdog]

How come all the self-proclaimed smart-cunts here on KB ain't running the country???

Plurry 'Monday-morning-quarter-backs' that's why.

[Qkkid]

How come all the self-proclaimed smart-cunts here on KB ain't running the country???

Plurry 'Monday-morning-quarter-backs' that's why.

They are all probably to busy running from the law

[Qkkid]

He’s a cracker bloke with a hot missus, a great smile and he made a shitload of money as a currency trader (those people we used to call yuppies). And best of all, he drinks beer from the bottle, so he’s almost the perfect Prime Minister. Almost.

Then came Cuppagate. He wanted to let John Banks show him how much he loves him (but only in a very manly and heterosexual way) and to tell the good people of Epsom that it’s OK for them to vote for good old Banksy, so a cuppa tea was set up. They invited EVERYONE in the media along to watch, and made sure they were sitting by the window so people could see how close they were (again, in a very manly way).

And that’s where clever stopped.

They had a big media audience, and the media are well known for looking for vulnerabilities, so they should have made sure they said NOTHING that could be taken out of context. They should have discussed the weather, the RWC and how important it is to have National back in government, that way if (inevitably) some scurrilous journo had taped the chat, a lip reader by the window had written down what they said or a cafe staff member had listened; nobody would care.

Then the word came out that a tape had been made. If they had chatted about the weather and how good National are, Key could have said “go ahead, publish it. I’m all about honesty and transparency” and that would have been it. But he hasn’t. He has tried to shut it up and make it go away by painting it as a News of the World paparazzi stunt that will lead to no privacy for anyone. He has tried changing the subject, walking out on a press conference and even calling in the cops - in Winston speak, he has lost his his rag. That suggests to a cynical old fuck such as myself that he can’t afford to let anyone know what he and Banksy said.

Aside from the morality of taping conversations, which I don’t have a problem with given it was a media stunt with a highly public setting, he has shown a massive lack of judgement in what he said and how he handled it. He has lost control of the situation and now the media are focussing on him ducking and diving, not on his policies. He is coming across as arrogant and even a bully, not as the strong, decisive and intelligent leader with a vision for the future that NZ needs right now. And he has attacked the media and their freedom to operate, and as Mark Twain once said, "never pick a fight with a man who buys ink by the barrel" because they can make his next 3 years hard for him.

NZ is facing an increasingly difficult period, so can we afford a PM who may be slick and smart, but lacks judgement and the ability to handle a crisis under pressure?

Probably a labour voter
Its the principle of the fact you let one media outlet do shit or stunts like this you set a standard/president, i think irregardless of the situation John Key did the right thing. Otherwise you end up with shite like whats going on overseas with the media and papers trying to get away with blue murder.