Is John Key the man to lead NZ?

[oneofsix]

I don't understand the deal with hating on Jews. Other than killing Jesus, what exactly is it that they're supposed to have done?

Boy this could get off topic quick. Old history but jews were the money lenders or bankers of old. Check out Merchant of Venus by Shakespeare for a light read on the subject Being the money guys meant that whilst a lord or king could be all powerful he was still 'owned' by the Jew he owed money to. Like all generalisations not all jews were money lenders but most money lender were jews until the Knights Templer learnt a trick or two from them. But then the destruction of said knights gave us black Friday so guess in the end they weren't loved either.

[Paul in NZ]

When the media can't find the vunerabilities they are looking for (not looking hard enough?) then they rather insist on creating them.

This whole thing is an idiotic waste of time. OF COURSE they said some dipshit stuff ffs, much the same as you would say to a guy you meet at a bike rally etc. The media is keeping this going ONLY because they really don't like it when someone won't dance their tune and frankly I'm getting a bit tired of their shallow attitudes. Fuck them - they don't run the bloody country and frankly need to have a good hard look at themselves (across the whole media spectrum). Personally - the Police should prosecute the prick. If two pollies can't have a frank discussion without everyone going ooooohhhhh.... we are all buggered.

[imdying]

Boy this could get off topic quick. Old history but jews were the money lenders or bankers of old. Check out Merchant of Venus by Shakespeare for a light read on the subject Being the money guys meant that whilst a lord or king could be all powerful he was still 'owned' by the Jew he owed money to. Like all generalisations not all jews were money lenders but most money lender were jews until the Knights Templer learnt a trick or two from them. But then the destruction of said knights gave us black Friday so guess in the end they weren't loved either.

So it's cause they're good with money? Pretty sure I've read that one, Shylock wasn't it?

Key must be laughing his arse off... he has distracted the red team which has trashed their focus, and the media is all him him him and National this and National that. When was the last time you heard anything constructive about what the Labour Party is gonna do? I'm not sure why they're all dancing to his tune, surely they're smarter than that.

[slofox]

Remember he justified it by saying "police have spare time on their hands as crime is down 7.9%"

I reckon his first name's really "Don"...

[Swoop]

The typical bullshit that gets thrown around at election time.

Sadly the average brain-dead kiwi voter cannot remember anything long term. Invent some crap about a private discussion to divert the attention of the media nd the voters.



The really bad news is that the country doesn't have a decent alternative. Labour "leading us" through a major recession? The greens? Mana party?
After the election: Shane Jones leading labour? I guess the MP's will at least get free porn to jerk off over.

[shrub]

The really bad news is that the country doesn't have a decent alternative. Labour "leading us" through a major recession? The greens? Mana party?:rolleyes.

If you read the Greens and Labour economic policies, they actually make sense. Obviously the Greens have no expectations of ever being the government, so their policies are not comprehensive in the same way National and Labour's are, but they have some very good ideas. I'm not an economist, but I do have some expertise in business and a working understanding of macro and micro economics, and when I look at what National have done and what they are planning to do it worries me. On the outside it seems as though they are too tied to an ideological position to recognise that what they propose is very unlikely to work.

Where Labour has failed dismally over the last 3 years is to provide a robust challenge to National's economic policies and keep them honest in the debating chamber and through the media. There are some ridiculous holes in the asset sales plan, but they're largely being ignored in favour of taking the "don't sell the family silver" approach, and has anyone (other than Russel Norman) raised the issue that National are planning to spend $400m of asset money on subsidising irrigation? How many people know that they are selling a high yield and productivity asset to subsidise a low productivity industry?

Has anyone discussed that selling $5bn of power companies is ridiculous when you consider that the NZSX has a total capitalisation of $55bn, so when you add the existing listed power companies, they will make up around 15% of market capitalisation? One industry sector making up 15% of our stock market is STUPID.

And Labour have sat back and allowed the national spin doctors to create the myth that Clark/Cullen left the economy in a bad way. Despite the contrary being true (if you look at the raw data and ignore the press releases), the majority of people are unaware just how much better our economy was in 08 than in 99 and nobody has looked at how much fiscally worse off we are now, even allowing for the GFC.

Labour have been a very poor opposition, and that is reflected by the fact that we have an inept and weak government about to get re-elected despite poor policies and a dismal track record.

[shrub]

and makes me feel a little ashamed I put this thread up

[eelracing]

and makes me feel a little ashamed I put this thread up

Haha is she Jewish? cos she could go far in Hollywood.

But isnt it ironic thet Key has gone all spastic over the tea n bikkies taping yet he and his cronies tried to rush through the search and surveillance bill this year.

Now that it has been deferred to the next parliament to sort out will it have any bearing on how he see's the bill and it's ramifications? Because we all know it was just a innocent get together afterall.

The strains starting to show Johnboy...how does it feel???

[imdying]

If you read the Greens and Labour economic policies, they actually make sense.

Except of course, they don't.

Where Labour has failed dismally over the last 3 years

Shit, who cares, they pale in comparison to their failures over the previous 9.

And Labour have sat back and allowed the national spin doctors to create the myth that Clark/Cullen left the economy in a bad way.

Hard to refute fact, and apparently they're not smart enough to try.

[steve_t]

I love how Helen Clark is still 4th most preferred Prime Minister on 3%

[oneofsix]

I love how Helen Clark is still 4th most preferred Prime Minister on 3%

Love the survey. WTF do we care. The PM is only the face of the party, well with the Nats and current crop any how, with Helen she might have been more a task master. It's what the government will do that matters not how good one person is at licking boots. The PM can't govern alone.

[lakedaemonian]

I reckon John Key/National are the least bad option......but I would prefer keeping state majority owned assets...I'd hate to see privatization led by massive price increases(in utilities for example) like what appears to be happening in the UK.

What I would like to see is the Mana Party, specifically Hone, Sue Bradford, and John Minto be exiled to the Chathams.

I'd gladly pay an extra couple of % in tax for that last part.

[oneofsix]

I reckon John Key/National are the least bad option......but I would prefer keeping state majority owned assets...I'd hate to see privatization led by massive price increases(in utilities for example) like what appears to be happening in the UK.

What I would like to see is the Mana Party, specifically Hone, Sue Bradford, and John Minto be exiled to the Chathams.

I'd gladly pay an extra couple of % in tax for that last part.

How can they be the least bad option if there major plank is the one thing you don't want and one of the few things being talked about that will be near impossible to reverse.

[Headbanger]

What is an election issue is how Key has handled the whole thing.

I don't want a prime minister chosen based on this non-issue, and wonder at the credibility of anyone who wants to blow it out of proportion.

Its obvious that the agenda being followed isn't about the tape, its about making noise.

If the non-issue tape contained anything issue-worthy then the media would have released it to make money and been happy to get penalised, this is all just pathetic huff-n-puff, and not worthy of being a topic of discussion leading up to the election, never mind being a high profile issue.

Weak.

[oneofsix]

I don't want a prime minister chosen based on this non-issue, and wonder at the credibility of anyone who wants to blow it out of proportion.

Its obvious that the agenda being followed isn't about the tape, its about making noise.

If the non-issue tape contained anything issue-worthy then the media would have released it to make money and been happy to get penalised, this is all just pathetic huff-n-puff, and not worthy of being a topic of discussion leading up to the election, never mind being a high profile issue.

Weak.

Seems to me that in a perverse way you and shrub agree. The thing about the tape side show is this is the guy and party that most of NZ expected to be re-elected and this is now they behave, what the fuss is over is slightly irrelevant. Judge them not by what they say (their promises) but instead judge them by what they do (enter the tape issue with all its hissy fits)

BTW if Brash thinks Keys should release it, yet it only takes one of the two at the table to say OK, then why isn't Brash as leader of ACT telling Banks to OK its release.