Is John Key the man to lead NZ?

[lakedaemonian]

How can they be the least bad option if there major plank is the one thing you don't want and one of the few things being talked about that will be near impossible to reverse.

As a small business owner I see Labour as overly pro-worker, anti-business.

I think the 90 day trial is an excellent idea...and personally makes me more willing to take a chance and additional staff due to the difficulty in removing toxic employees.

Labour wishes to rescind the 90 day trial.....if they believe in doing so they are idiots(especially in a time of rising unemployment and low business confidence)......if they are pandering for votes then they are even worse.

That's but one example.......

Labour had plenty of time to fill the larder and set good long term policy when they had power during the best economic period in recent decades....and I believe they failed...and it's the same crew in charge...no thank you.


Personally, I'd like to see the Green Party consider a partnership with National.....I'm a fan of Green Party initiatives like the solar water heating and insulation efforts of recent years......focused efforts to improve quality of life, improve energy efficiency, and employ Kiwis.....unfortunately Green Party foreign policy and some of their economic policy is out of left field...hopefully if/when they shift more to the Centre they will become more of a king maker or spoiler.

[oneofsix]

As a small business owner I see Labour as overly pro-worker, anti-business.

I think the 90 day trial is an excellent idea...and personally makes me more willing to take a chance and additional staff due to the difficulty in removing toxic employees.

Labour wishes to rescind the 90 day trial.....if they believe in doing so they are idiots(especially in a time of rising unemployment and low business confidence)......if they are pandering for votes then they are even worse.

That's but one example.......

Labour had plenty of time to fill the larder and set good long term policy when they had power during the best economic period in recent decades....and I believe they failed...and it's the same crew in charge...no thank you.


Personally, I'd like to see the Green Party consider a partnership with National.....I'm a fan of Green Party initiatives like the solar water heating and insulation efforts of recent years......focused efforts to improve quality of life, improve energy efficiency, and employ Kiwis.....unfortunately Green Party foreign policy and some of their economic policy is out of left field...hopefully if/when they shift more to the Centre they will become more of a king maker or spoiler.

The 90 day trail thing is an example of something that is reversible, unlike the sell off. But perhaps it is time to consider the even smaller parties to make the bigger ones take notice. Have you looked at the conservatives, etc?
BTW IMO ACT and Nats don't really care about small business, its all about BIG BIG and bigger business for them.

[Headbanger]

Seems to me that in a perverse way you and shrub agree. The thing about the tape side show is this is the guy and party that most of NZ expected to be re-elected and this is now they behave, what the fuss is over is slightly irrelevant. Judge them not by what they say (their promises) but instead judge them by what they do (enter the tape issue with all its hissy fits)

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Well no, In no perverse way do we agree, I have not and would not comment on John keys behaviour, My one and only issue is with the huff and puff generated to try and make it an issue, and that isn't the work of John Key.

If anything my opinion of a segment of the NZ population and the media has been lowered.

My opinion of Labour cant get any lower.

[Headbanger]

I think the 90 day trial is an excellent idea...and personally makes me more willing to take a chance and additional staff due to the difficulty in removing toxic employees.

Labour wishes to rescind the 90 day trial.....if they believe in doing so they are idiots(especially in a time of rising unemployment and low business confidence)......if they are pandering for votes then they are even worse.

Definitely, I can nominate at least 10 instances where people have been given a go purely due to the 90 day trial, that was the deciding factor.

And on the same token it has allowed in 2 cases known to me where unsuitable people were able to be moved on.

It is a huge bonus for the working class of NZ.

Labour are a pack of deluded fools.

Now if we could just get a party that didn't want to sell off our assets and was opposed to the racist separatist policies that are ruining our country.

Im thinking we get all the wanna-be politicians and put them in a cage fight.

[lakedaemonian]

The 90 day trail thing is an example of something that is reversible, unlike the sell off. But perhaps it is time to consider the even smaller parties to make the bigger ones take notice. Have you looked at the conservatives, etc?
BTW IMO ACT and Nats don't really care about small business, its all about BIG BIG and bigger business for them.

I've seen the conservative billboards up...and admittedly had no time to look into them......but ASSume they will not make it over the post?

For me, I'm willing to throw support behind the party/candidate that's willing to do the most for small business, not just because I'm a small business owner, but because small business is where the majority of Kiwis are employed...and it's also where future medium to large business success stories employing more and creating equity come from.

[SPman]

the problem is we're bereft of choices...

Key might have handled this badly.. but he hasnt really handled anything else badly.. He has been PM in some fairly bad times, and done fairly well, so 1 little odd thing in 3 years is really not so bad. He is a bit of a dork..

If the PM was Goff, or Peters, or one of the others, there'd probably be a lot more carp we'd be dealing with rather than one badly done promotional politicy thing.

Surely the media and Winnie must think we're dumb if they think we are going to get sucked into making us focus on this instead of the big picture?

You really don't look at politics very hard, do you.
Either that, or you're being willfully ignorant.
If you believe JK has been doing well and this is his only perceived gaffe.
If only people did focus on the big picture - because John Key doesn't - unless it's his face in the papers.
He has to be the most disingenuous, vindictive lying son of a botch job Prime Minister we’ve had in a long while....

[Headbanger]

In light of the global recession, the disasters, the world cup, and the legacy from Labour I consider that National have done a stunning job.

Damned if I would have wanted to tackle the issues they have had to manage.

[pete376403]

Well no, In no perverse way do we agree, I have not and would not comment on John keys behaviour, My one and only issue is with the huff and puff generated to try and make it an issue, and that isn't the work of John Key..

Not the work of john Key? Then who involved the Police? If key really wanted it to go away all he had to do is say "yeah, go for your life" to The Harold and it would be all over.

Unless there is stuff on the tape that would be embarassing to one or the other, but surely both Key and Banks are smart enough to understand talking serious political shit in a public place with half NZs media looking on is not very clever.

[Headbanger]

Not the work of john Key? Then who involved the Police? If key really wanted it to go away all he had to do is say "yeah, go for your life" to The Harold and it would be all over.

Unless there is stuff on the tape that would be embarassing to one or the other, but surely both Key and Banks are smart enough to understand talking serious political shit in a public place with half NZs media looking on is not very clever.

sorry, I'm not going to contribute to the huff-n-puff.

[Deano]

I'm not entirely up with the play on this but, can someone please explain to me how placing a hidden recorder in a black bag on the table is "inadvertently" recording the conversation ?

[HenryDorsetCase]

My thoughts? not so much

the resemblance to Dobbie the house elf is uncanny

[lakedaemonian]

In light of the global recession, the disasters, the world cup, and the legacy from Labour I consider that National have done a stunning job.

Damned if I would have wanted to tackle the issues they have had to manage.

I'd agree...but I think we will have to keep their feet to the fire and still not cut them much slack.

It would be interesting to get a poll of National supporters and get their opinion on asset sales...I suspect National might be sweating a bit on that one.

I'm OK as long as clear majority ownership is maintained.....if we see high inflation and utility costs increases...with government owned utilities it's a bit harder to push thru bigger price increases...helps out the retired and poor folks on tight budgets.

Continued tough times ahead...I reckon better National than Labour running the show.

What I worry about is in 3 years time......if facing a continuing and very challenging global economic climate(likely).....which opposition and/or minority party muppet will be willing to sell their soul and promise everything......appealing to the darker sides of populism.

It's the NEXT election that I'm worried about.

[SMOKEU]

I don't understand the deal with hating on Jews. Other than killing Jesus, what exactly is it that they're supposed to have done?

Jews can't be trusted. They're the enemy from within. They run Wall Street, and they are the typical PC fuckwits who can't make good decisions and are ruining this country day by day. National has introduced stupid policies, and people should be ashamed for voting for that race traitor.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Jews can't be trusted. They're the enemy from within. They run Wall Street, and they are the typical PC fuckwits who can't make good decisions and are ruining this country day by day. National has introduced stupid policies, and people should be ashamed for voting for that race traitor.

you are a hateful little fucker.

[imdying]

Jews can't be trusted. They're the enemy from within. They run Wall Street,

Given what Wall Street is all about, can you honestly tell me that any group running it wouldn't be a corrupt bunch of self serving arseholes within a decade?