Child abuse: when the FUCK are we going to actually take this seriously?

[blue rider]

Rubbish. You're telling me she couldn't send a text or make a call whilst sitting down for a piss?

would not know if she could.

And a woman that let him get away with it... and a society that is protecting them.

its her fault that the sick fuck beat a baby to pulp.....poor schmuck could not control himself - and society what has got society to do with what happens in peoples private dwellings?

No, that's your one track man hating mind going off on an unrelated tangent.

ohhhhh no no no, men are good to have around.......they have their uses

Please, do quote me which bit made that obvious to you

your reaction

This isn't a gender issue, you're off your rocker if you think it is.

bored now

[Brett]

can they not all be charged with murder?? im sure the real story would emerge pretty soon, everybody baggs the police constantly but the police have to deal with people like this on a daily basis, im sure it wears them down

I'm not bagging the police at all, I have first hand seen how their hands can be tied. They do a bloody good job in general given the constraints they can be made to work within.

[blue rider]

Damn straight, this is not a gender issue, although men would be more strongly represented. Ask anyone who is a paramedic, cop or doctor, there are plenty of women abusers out there as well. I confronted a woman at a traffic light whose child was jumping around the car (with windows open) and nearly fell out...mother didn't care at all, and she did see it happen. When I asked her why she lets her 3 year old act like that in the car, she threatened to "give me the bash" (nearly laughed at her...)

There are plenty of men AND women who are abusers and who contribute to the dysfunctional environment that the kids grow up in. Enablers are 99% as bad as the abusers themselves.

and in many cases the men are abusers, in many cases the women are abusers.

but if we talk about stopping people from breeding, promoting sterilization as a means of population control it becomes very quickly a gender issue . as it is the female doing the breeding, male is doing the inseminating.

its not that hard. In the case of this abuse, I opt for castration, followed up with a lock down till the physical end of the perpetrator.
Any kids at the house of the mother away to safety, and lock up for her, maybe with some counseling for abuse thrown in.

anyways this time the abuser was a man.

[Madness]

Blah, blah, blah.

I think you took Imdying's reference to "sterilisation" in his initial post in this thread too literally. Us blokes don't specifically relate the use of the word "sterilisation" to the removal of a womans reproductive ability, at least I don't.

Oh, BTW - this has everything to do with society.

[Brett]

I think you took Imdying's reference to "sterilisation" in his initial post in this thread too literally. Us blokes don't generally relate the use of the word "sterilisation" to the removal of a womans reproductive ability, at least I don't.

Oh, BTW - this has everything to do with society.

On. The. Money.

[pete376403]

That is part of my frustration, the issues around this are getting massive. There is no silver bullet. .

Doesn't need a silver bullet - plain ol' lead ones are just as effective, and much cheaper.

[blue rider]

I think you took Imdying's reference to "sterilisation" in his initial post in this thread too literally. Us blokes don't generally relate the use of the word "sterilisation" to the removal of a womans reproductive ability, at least I don't.

Oh, BTW - this has everything to do with society.

Words have meanings....this word means what it means.


society will/does have no problem with a certain amount of abuse.....but we like to think ourselves better than that. and from time to time, a sick fuck pops out of obscurity and shows us that our ideas of human dignity and human rights are just that - ideas.

[SPman]

someone on here will likely as not have some info on child abuse rates in tribal societies.

Well....the European tribe seem to be responsible for a tad over 50% of all child abuse cases....they just aren't deemed as "newsworthy" as someone with a non white skin.

We are facing individuals that have been raised dysfunctionally from birth in toxic environments.

We are also facing individuals that have NOT been raised thusly - but still do this sort of shit!

It's all about power over others and self esteem - or lack of it!
Buggered if I know how you stop it - other than having a cohesive, inclusive society that actually looks out for each other...........

[Deano]

Well....the European tribe seem to be responsible for a tad over 50% of all child abuse cases....they just aren't deemed as "newsworthy" as someone with a non white skin.

I've heard that from a few people now.

Can you provide a reference or qualify that ?

[FJRider]

Haven't seen the news since. Has there been any development?

Can't say ...

[Hitcher]

To survive and flourish, domestic violence needs a shadow.

A shadow is made up of people who know something's not right but ignore it. Eyeball your neighbours or your sister's boyfriend and say you've got some concerns. If they tell you to fuck off, tell them you're watching and listening. Once you've got EVIDENCE, go to the Police.

Domestic violence is about people. People who live in our communities. People we know. People we may love. That makes it our business to get it sorted. It starts and finishes with us. And it's not all right.

[nzspokes]

I'm not bagging the police at all, I have first hand seen how their hands can be tied. They do a bloody good job in general given the constraints they can be made to work within.

I agree, got a mate that worked on Peds. And he is a big dude. I dont know how he could stop himself from violence towards them.

Poor Cops have to work with both hands tied behind there backs in situations like this.

[Brett]

To survive and flourish, domestic violence needs a shadow.

A shadow is made up of people who know something's not right but ignore it. Eyeball your neighbours or your sister's boyfriend and say you've got some concerns. If they tell you to fuck off, tell them you're watching and listening. Once you've got EVIDENCE, go to the Police.

Domestic violence is about people. People who live in our communities. People we know. People we may love. That makes it our business to get it sorted. It starts and finishes with us. And it's not all right.

You're right mate, but the problem is that we have a whole bunch of people in society who allow the shadow to remain. Look at the NZ Herald today, the latest case of child abuse is being stone walled yet again. Those of us who would speak up are not the ones who need to be targeted. If someone I knew was a victim or perpetrator of domestic abuse, I would certainly speak up. Many housegolds, such as in the depths of South Auckland, would not do this.

As I have mentioned on here before, my significant other is a doctor who works in South Auckland. She has made the comment a few times that the mind set around 'the expected norm' is just so different amongst these poorer homes. For example, she sees a lot of really sick kids, the families don't bring the children in for treatment because in their home culture kids get sick and sometimes die, this is part of life. There is a lack of recognition that something can actually be done to help them. I suspect that the same could be said for D. violence. It is a part of the norm of their societies. She made an interesting comment the other week that a lot of the "beaten" woman that she has seen/spoken to are of Indian, Asian or Middle Eastern origin. (Given their outlook towards women, this isn't such a surprise...)

[Brett]

I agree, got a mate that worked on Peds. And he is a big dude. I dont know how he could stop himself from violence towards them.

Poor Cops have to work with both hands tied behind there backs in situations like this.

There are situations where they must really struggle to not deliver some roadside justice.

[Pedrostt500]

No matter how we crunch the numbers, or write the laws, at the end of the day we are dealing with a small percentage, that do not, and will not give a fuck about any one else, They are the only ones who can Choose to change their ways, and utill they choose, then they should be locked away for the rest of their natural lives, yes they may have very sad stories about growing up, and some stories may be real tear jerkers, but their story about their past IS NOT AN EXCUSE to be VIOLENT, particurly to those who are DEFENCELESS.

I also think New Zealand needs a National day of shame,( Not marked with a holiday,) with a monument to the children who have lost their lives in family violence, and I would place this monument on the lawn in front of Parliment, with the names and ages of all children going back as far as records will allow, and on the anniversary of the National day of Shame, the names would be read out and printed in all the countries medias.