Child poverty in NZ (TV3 22/11)

[JimO]

That would be one of the more inane, non thought through, knee jerk, mouth-offs, from the bunch of inanities spewed forth on this thread.
For once, the good ideas outweigh them.......

stops the ferals from breeding dont it

[oneofsix]

stops the ferals from breeding dont it

as stated before it would have meant no Sir Bob Jones nor John Keys.

[Deano]

That would be one of the more inane, non thought through, knee jerk, mouth-offs, from the bunch of inanities spewed forth on this thread.
For once, the good ideas outweigh them.......

A bit like blaming the media for being racist and only reporting abuse by some sectors of society ?

[MisterD]

nor John Keys.

Ferchrissakes, the bloke has been PM for three years and you still don't know what his name is...

[oneofsix]

Ferchrissakes, the bloke has been PM for three years and you still don't know what his name is...

shows what a non event he is.

[ynot slow]

EDUCATION-a simple word,educate the parents,therefor when they have kids the kids will try,Sounds simple but many years ago with all the freezing works/dairy factories,people could leave school at 15 and work,good money,then the system changed,we have families who have never worked,hence kids see no need for education as we can go to winz.

My ex has similar family crap,her sister and husband have been on benefits for years,smoke dope,play pokies,tab,hey their choice,but he has a "bad back" can't work,they were in court a couple of years ago for prescription fraud,got pinged and home detention.

Their kids were doing dope at 15,and my daughter was friends with the daughter,my daughter realised her friend was useless loser so doesn't keep in touch,and as she said in 3rd form all good,in 4th form she changed,was sleeping with boyfriend and drinking,smoking,and saying why study kids pay well,funny thing my daughter is into nursing career,friend is still a loser.

And yes I have been on sickness benefit,would've been better to be injured by crash or sporting injury as payout better,have no idea how many jobs I applied for last time,or this time as am laid off and awaiting surgery.

[Tigadee]

The doco was sensationalist bull crap.

But great contraception and abstinence arguments though... My kids after watching said they're not going to have kids unless they have fulfilled their education and established job/career, 'cos no way they want to live or end up like that!

A wise friend told me that single-parenthood is the main driver of poverty and unfulfilled potential that could have translated into strong economic contribution. Young person gets pregnant, drops out of school to care for child, many 'fathers' run away and don't want or know how to shoulder the buden of fatherhood. (Grand-)Parents have to help out (or not), young mother goes on benefit to survive and lives in poor conditions. Young mother goes back to work but can only find low-paying jobs and ends up working two or three jobs. Mother icomes home tired and has no energy to establish a strong relationship with kids. Lack of father figure also impacts on the child's upbringing.

Kid or kids grow up without parental guidance and presence, end up in mischief, gets pregnant, and the whole cycle plays out again. If the male is responsible and helps with raising the child, it still means both young parents struggling especially with the high cost of living these days and missing out on their education, again the unfulfilled potential and subsequent economic strength missing from the economy.

I'd like to know how much of the system is corrupted by the career beneficiaries, because it is hurting the genuine cases, and there are genuine ones out there who are impacted by the selfish ones' actions. If more than half the system is full of career beneficiaries, the system should be re-booted and the deadbeats weeded out. But sadly no Government/party is ever gong to have the balls to do that...

[jasonu]

I’m sure the technology is available where those who are on the benefit can be issued with an EFTPOS card that won’t allow cigarettes, alcohol or money to be withdrawn?

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That is done here with the 'Oregon Trail' card. It replaced foodstamps. It gets loaded with the amount of bene you qualify for and is replenished each month while you qualify. It is used like a credit card in shops for qualified items ie fresh food but not cooked food like KFC or Maccas. No lottery, faggs or booze. The underhanded beneficiaries will use it to buy their mates groceries in exchange for cash which they will then spend on KFC, Maccas, lottery faggs and booze.

[BoristheBiter]

I would foresee a secondary economy being created out of something like this.

1. Buy $15 of bread using food stamps (which is pretty much what you're describing)
2. Walk out of the store around the back and trade it for $10 worth of cigarettes.

You'd be creating a whole new class of middlemen. I think exploits like this are the reason that food stamp plans don't quite work out as well as people would like them to. People who want smokes/alcohol will do anything to get them.

So what you are saying is because there might be dodgy people that might do this it shouldn't be tried?
So on that we should just stop all laws and have a free for all as not everyone obeys them.

Yep you are probably right and this might happen, still better then just giving them free money.

[Grasshopperus]

That is done here with the 'Oregon Trail' card.

Does it also let you buy a whole bunch of bullets so you can go shooting bison, moose and rabbits? Ah Oregon Trail, that passed for computer studies when I was in high-school http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ore...8video_game%29

So what you are saying is because there might be dodgy people that might do this it shouldn't be tried?
So on that we should just stop all laws and have a free for all as not everyone obeys them.

Where did I say that?

I have a great game for you; a "Jump to Conclusions" mat. You see, it would be this mat that you would put on the floor... and would have different CONCLUSIONS written on it that you could JUMP TO.

[BoristheBiter]

Does it also let you buy a whole bunch of bullets so you can go shooting bison, moose and rabbits? Ah Oregon Trail, that passed for computer studies when I was in high-school http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ore...8video_game%29



Where did I say that?

I have a great game for you; a "Jump to Conclusions" mat. You see, it would be this mat that you would put on the floor... and would have different CONCLUSIONS written on it that you could JUMP TO.

Never said you did, you implied with your comment because someone might do something illegal with their card this is a dumb idea and never work, so hence you think because it wont work for everyone it's a bad idea.

[avgas]

Yep. And people look at me with disbelief when I tell them I was with my partner for 9 years before I thought it was safe to have a kid.
Likewise I am only having one. Not that my little boy is a terror - he is actually a saint of a child.
But because I think there are too many people in the world. The only way I can fix that legally is that we have less than 2 children.

People think the china 1 child policy was barbaric. But you cant help but looks at (what used to be) the slums in china, then look a Lower Hutt and South Auckland.....and think "Fuck! Where are we going?"

Fact of the matter is everyone consumes. So if you want to save the planet and save us.......have less kids. You clearly are smart enough to know the consequences. Hope that the others will learn this also.
Its should not be a right to have kids. It should be a privileged. But unfortunately our organs don't work that way.

[HenryDorsetCase]

A bit like blaming the media for being racist and only reporting abuse by some sectors of society ?

the police for example

[blue rider]

would not one way of getting rid of smoking be just banning the stuff?
I mean it is one of the most addictive drugs - I think we can agree on this
It is one of the biggest killers - also something everyone can agree on

so how come it has not been classified as a Class A such as Heroin/Cocaine/and other drugs?


disclaimer, I used to smoke and stopped. But have asked this question for a long time now, maybe someone can give me an answer.
Because if we only keep them legal for the Tax Revenue and to keep the supposed "black market" we would be creating at bay, than surely we should not judge the addicted amongst us, as we (society) are quite happy to have them addicted.

Another question, how does rising inflation, loss of salary - where a two earner couple is now on a single income etc influence Child Poverty? Not much about that anywhere. but the CPI for last year was at how much?
100 $ in 2009 are $105.54 in 2011
100 $ in 2010 are $103.84 in 2011
as per http://data.bls.gov/cgi-bin/cpicalc....010&year2=2011

are rising living costs, stagnating wages, increased GST and other added taxes on services taken into account?

[mashman]

would not one way of getting rid of smoking be just banning the stuff?
I mean it is one of the most addictive drugs - I think we can agree on this
It is one of the biggest killers - also something everyone can agree on

so how come it has not been classified as a Class A such as Heroin/Cocaine/and other drugs?

I take your point, but smoking tobacco doesn't lead to violence, why not just ban alcohol? It does more day to day damage than smoking tobacco ever could. Or hows about, if you don't have a job, then you have to take a predefined bus at a predefined time to reach a predefined "supermarket" to pick up your predefined food allocation and then send your shit (and your childrens shit) for analysis to prove that you ate your predefined food allocation, otherwise your predefined rations will be pegged back until to step into line and queue up for non-existent jobs like everyone else.. and you will be rewarded with a predefined pint at a predefined pub.