MOTO-NZ finally come up with something for all our money

[rustic101]

Up to? Potential?

You mean something's hit the barrier 'prox 80 since they were installed 5 - 6 years ago.

And they've prevented up to exactly the same potential number of head-ons any other barrier design would have done in that time.

In a nut shell yes. In fact its 80 strikes, not sure of the number of persons in each vehicle who could have been injured or killed.

I've had mates fall from the bottom rung of ladders and kill themselves - Should we ban ladders?

Yes WRB are a little more unforgiving than possibly other barrier types. However if your bike is mechanically sound, you ride to the conditions, ride with the right behaviours and wear adequate gear then I see no problem. I'm very comfortable riding next to them every day.

I'm seeking an argument BTW, just stating fact around what I see and also my opinion in the last para.

[Berries]

A start. Somehow I think we need more meat on the bones here... But I suppose we need to to start somewhere. So, what is the best suggestion to achieve that? (The "Don't crash").

It is fairly simple IMO. Don't ride beyond the capabilities of your bike or your brain. That would solve at least 75% of all crashes involving bikes.

We could propose that all bikes are removed from the roads. That would solve it and achieve the "don't crash". But somehow I think that might not be the solution..

Oh, it probably is. Two wheels, inherently unstable, stupid power to weight ratios. When you sit back and look at it logically there is no real point to motorbikes other than as urban commuters in very large cities.

[MSTRS:Me]

Wash your filthy mouth, you wowser you.

[Ocean1]

In a nut shell yes. In fact its 80 strikes, not sure of the number of persons in each vehicle who could have been injured or killed.

I've had mates fall from the bottom rung of ladders and kill themselves - Should we ban ladders?

Yes WRB are a little more unforgiving than possibly other barrier types. However if your bike is mechanically sound, you ride to the conditions, ride with the right behaviours and wear adequate gear then I see no problem. I'm very comfortable riding next to them every day.

I'm seeking an argument BTW, just stating fact around what I see and also my opinion in the last para.

In fact ladders have already been banned from many work-sites, but how dangerous ladders are is irrelevant, nobody's being required to use them in spite of any danger in doing so.

WRB is an option no less expensive than other designs, and apparently no more effective. And yet, in spite of the fact that they're supposedly a safety device they represent a serious danger to a significant group of road users.

And you don't have a problem with that? It doesn't that strike you as massively inappropriate of public funds, at the very least?

NZTA have for some time had a policy of ensuring road safety projects produce an outcome that minimises the risk to accident victims regardless of cause. The preamble to that initiative goes: "Nobody should die because they made a simple mistake". So even if you don't see the problem represented by unsafe road furnature the authority in charge of road safety do.

Motorcyclists, apparently fall outside that policy, even very comfortable ones. That's just wrong.

[swbarnett]

a significant group of road users.

I think this is the problem. NZTA (and some bikers it seems) don't consider us "significant".

[Scuba_Steve]

I think this is the problem. NZTA (and some bikers it seems) don't consider us "significant".

NZTA in my experience don't consider motorists significant, bar the last year where it seems they've finally got someone there who actually uses a vehicle

[Bald Eagle]

NZTA in my experience don't consider motorists significant, bar the last year where it seems they've finally got someone there who actually uses a vehicle

I met a local govt transport consultant recently who was an import from mother england and did not have any form license and was a career pedestrian - are we surprised there pokicies dont consider road users rofl

[Big Dave]

To dream..the impossible dream...to etc etc.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-04-0...grades/4603208

[oneofsix]

To dream..the impossible dream...to etc etc.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-04-0...grades/4603208

Yet another reason to jump the ditch.

[Big Dave]

Yet another reason to jump the ditch.

Quality of recreational motorcycling isn't a valid reason though.

It's mainly a wide, flat land and as we know, the best riding is all about mountains and valleys.

[oneofsix]

Quality of recreational motorcycling isn't a valid reason though.

It's mainly a wide, flat land and as we know, the best riding is all about mountains and valleys.

That someone in authority cares is and it is still one the the greatest motorcycling countries according to Henry Cole. But don't panic, I ain't coming across any time soon. It is just another straw on the pile, almost as if the Aussies have seen a tourist potential in Henry Cole's review and our lot are talking about learning mandarin instead

"Prime Minister John Key wants more students to consider learning Mandarin"

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/ar...ectid=10876524

[Big Dave]

Yeah. Depends where on the continent you live.

I was meaning the Hunter Valley roads in the article. This is not far off the Putty Road.



Diamond Geezer is Henry. I interviewed him in Akl.

[Scuba_Steve]

I met a local govt transport consultant recently who was an import from mother england and did not have any form license and was a career pedestrian - are we surprised there pokicies dont consider road users rofl

Well if he's a pedestrian, the least he could do is stop the idiots from placing zebra crossings on corners. That'd go a decent way towards the safety of everyone

[Flip]

I am just about to pay Motonz another $30, wtf have I got for it?

[James Deuce]

I am just about to pay Motonz another $30, wtf have I got for it?

Anal warts?