Democracy, freedom and the right to vote!

[SPman]

Treat people like idiots - they'll eventually behave like idiots. - until your back is turned.........

[BoristheBiter]

Here is a nice example of modern New Zealand law.

I have reproduced it faithfully except for the designation of the "officer" which I have abbreviated.

No you haven't. you have left off all relevant section and act's that they fall under.

Subpart 2—Powers relevant
Production of information
(1)A SS officer or a SS authorised person may require any person—
(a)to produce information or documents; or
(b)to answer relevant questions; or
(c)to provide personal information about that individual, including identifying information such as the person’s name, place of residence, place of business, date of birth, and gender.

Power of entry without warrant for inspection
(1)At any reasonable time a SS officer or a SS authorised person may enter and inspect a place without a warrant for the purpose of determining whether or not a person is complying with this Act, regulations made under it, or standards issued under it.
(1)A SS officer or a SS authorised person may stop a vehicle to exercise the power conferred by section 104.

Personal search power
Power to detain and search
(1)In the circumstances described in subsection (2), a SS OFFICER may—
(a)detain a person for as long as is reasonably necessary to carry out a search of that person; and
(b)search the person; and
(c)take possession of any information to which subsection (2) applies.

Duty of persons with knowledge of computer system or other data storage devices to assist access

(1)A person exercising a search power in any place or vehicle or in respect of any other thing may require a specified person to provide access information and other information or assistance that is reasonable and necessary to allow the person exercising the search power to access data held in—
(a)a computer system that is located (in whole or in part) in the place or the vehicle or other thing being searched:
(b)any other data storage device that is located (in whole or in part) at the place or in the vehicle or other thing being searched.

Special powers where application for search warrant pending
(1)If an application for a search warrant is about to be made or has been made and has not yet been granted or refused by an issuing officer, a SS officer present at the place or vehicle that is or is to be the subject of the application may, if authorised by subsection (2),—(a) enter and secure the place, vehicle, or other thing in respect of which authorisation to enter and search is being sought, and secure any items found at that place or in that vehicle or other thing, at any time...

Well scumdog, Boristheplonker had agreed with me that we had lost the presumption of innocence.

He had agreed that for many we have lost the right to be tried by a jury.

However he had maintained that we have the right to remain silent. I offered this law as a demonstration that he was wrong.
For a start we are not in the USA, so it is right to refrain from making a statement and is completely different from the land transport act's failure to provide details.

He had also maintained that we have the right not to be subject to unreasonable search and seizure.
I offered this law as a demonstration that he was wrong.

I think it matters. You and Boris don't. I wonder what your Grandkids will think.

you have had to cut so much out of these sections to try and make your argument.
you are wrong on so many levels I don't now where to start so I won't, I just can't be bothered to try and have an informed discussion when you can't even quote or fit the full sections and what they attain to.

As for calling them SS officers what are you 12?
seems you can't have a normal discussion with getting personal either.

[davereid]

This is not from the Land Transport Act Boris.

Its a single Act, and is not cherry picked from a range of different laws.

[oldrider]

Treat people like idiots - they'll eventually behave like idiots. - until your back is turned.........

And then they "will" behave like idiots with a vengeance! just for entertainment!

[SPman]

And then they "will" behave like idiots with a vengeance! just for entertainment!

There's something about getting to an age where you don't really care what people do or say, just being an observer and prodding them sometimes.......

[mashman]

And then they "will" behave like idiots with a vengeance! just for entertainment!

Idiots Rule... or lead depending on your terminology

[BoristheBiter]

This is not from the Land Transport Act Boris.

Its a single Act, and is not cherry picked from a range of different laws.

What act then?
come on you started this "our rights have been taken away" shit.
Put up or shut up, and use the whole law not just some cut and pasted crap.

But I won't hold my breath.

[davereid]

What act then?
come on you started this "our rights have been taken away" shit.
Put up or shut up, and use the whole law not just some cut and pasted crap.

But I won't hold my breath.

I didn't say our rights have been taken away. I said they will be taken small step by small step. I see this as such a step.

You said they were not being taken away and that what I said could not happen.
Then you said its the transport act so its OK.

So are you arguing that I have quoted something that does not exist ?

Or that if you knew the reason they would be OK ? Thats its OK if its for a "good reason" ?

I have proven everything I said.

[BoristheBiter]

I didn't say our rights have been taken away. I said they will be taken small step by small step. I see this as such a step.

You said they were not being taken away and that what I said could not happen.
Then you said its the transport act so its OK.

So are you arguing that I have quoted something that does not exist ?

Or that if you knew the reason they would be OK ? Thats its OK if its for a "good reason" ?

I have proven everything I said.

So you have like........nothing. no real surprise there.
you are even are back tracking on what you said.

You would make a good labour spin doctor or find a job at the herald.

[davereid]

So you have like........nothing. no real surprise there.
you are even are back tracking on what you said.

You would make a good labour spin doctor or find a job at the herald.

I haven't back tracked once.

I said we had lost some of these rights, you denied it quoting bits of the bill of rights.

I produced evidence. You said it was OK as it was only the Transport Act.

I pointed out its not the Transport Act.

Thats where we are right now.

The legislation in question is the ear tagging bill.

The man with all the powers to stop, search, seize, and do seizure in anticipation of being able to get a search warrant is the ear tag inspector.

[BoristheBiter]

I haven't back tracked once.

I said we had lost some of these rights, you denied it quoting bits of the bill of rights.

I produced evidence. You said it was OK as it was only the Transport Act.

I pointed out its not the Transport Act.

Thats where we are right now.

The legislation in question is the ear tagging bill.

The man with all the powers to stop, search, seize, and do seizure in anticipation of being able to get a search warrant is the ear tag inspector.

So you aren't even talking about people.

What a cock.

[oldrider]

Anyone else notice the unseemly biased media attention being given to the Labour party leadership scramble?

Labour have just been rejected by their own and the electorate in general and the media think it rates as top "news" FFS!

Proof of the pudding who the media rate as important and who the bulk of them support .... never been clearer!

The "Labour National media alliance" is what is controlling and killing this country .... wake up New Zealand you are being taken for a bloody ride!

[mashman]

Anyone else notice the unseemly biased media attention being given to the Labour party leadership scramble?

Labour have just been rejected by their own and the electorate in general and the media think it rates as top "news" FFS!

Proof of the pudding who the media rate as important and who the bulk of them support .... never been clearer!

The "Labour National media alliance" is what is controlling and killing this country .... wake up New Zealand you are being taken for a bloody ride!

It's more entertaining than focussing on the opposition and the policies that they're putting in place... isn't that what it's about

meanwhile CHOON interlude

[davereid]

So you aren't even talking about people.

What a cock.

LOL do you really think the premises, car, and computer, they have the power to search belong to the cow !

Surely you are only pretending to be that stupid.... this is a leg pull surely...

Yes Boris, its the PEOPLE the law applies to.

The hint is in the word PERSON.

I have underlined it for you, hope it helps.

Power of entry without warrant for inspection
(1)At any reasonable time a SS officer or a SS authorised person may enter and inspect a place without a warrant for the purpose of determining whether or not a person is complying with this Act, regulations made under it, or standards issued under it.
(1)A SS officer or a SS authorised person may stop a vehicle to exercise the power conferred by section 104.

Personal search power
Power to detain and search
(1)In the circumstances described in subsection (2), a SS OFFICER may—
(a)detain a person for as long as is reasonably necessary to carry out a search of that person; and
(b)search the person; and
(c)take possession of any information to which subsection (2) applies.

Duty of persons with knowledge of computer system or other data storage devices to assist access

(1)A person exercising a search power in any place or vehicle or in respect of any other thing may require a specified person to provide access information and other information or assistance that is reasonable and necessary to allow the person exercising the search power to access data held..

[Scuba_Steve]

Power of entry without warrant for inspection
(1)At any reasonable time a SS officer or a SS authorised person may enter and inspect a place without a warrant for the purpose of determining whether or not a person is complying with this Act, regulations made under it, or standards issued under it.
(1)A SS officer or a SS authorised person may stop a vehicle to exercise the power conferred by section 104.

Personal search power
Power to detain and search
(1)In the circumstances described in subsection (2), a SS OFFICER may—
(a)detain a person for as long as is reasonably necessary to carry out a search of that person; and
(b)search the person; and
(c)take possession of any information to which subsection (2) applies.

Duty of persons with knowledge of computer system or other data storage devices to assist access

(1)A person exercising a search power in any place or vehicle or in respect of any other thing may require a specified person to provide access information and other information or assistance that is reasonable and necessary to allow the person exercising the search power to access data held..

cool I get some pretty sweet search privileges there, shame I don't agree with the total (& illegal) disregard for our "foundation" laws