Congratulations 48%

[mashman]

That's a stupid question. Intellectualism, which is really just thinking about how other people should live their lives is a definitively left-wing occupation.

What's the right-wing "version"? (now that I know what the left-wing "version" is)

[Headbanger]

What's the right-wing "version"? (now that I know what the left-wing "version" is)

John Banks



Paul Henry

[mashman]

John Banks



Paul Henry

oh fuck sake, put me in with the lefties then please... although on second thoughts, that would mean that the right-wing "classification" is Idiotism and I kinda prefer that to Intellectualism... decisions decisions... I know, I'll be Intellidiotistic

[MisterD]

What's the right-wing "version"? (now that I know what the left-wing "version" is)

Right wingers are either authoritarian, in which case other people should just do as they're told according to existing well-defined codes, or libertarian in which case other people should do what they like, that's what freedom means. Thinking about how society should be made to operate to make the world a Better Place (TM), as I said, is a definition left-wing mindset.

HTH

[mashman]

Right wingers are either authoritarian, in which case other people should just do as they're told according to existing well-defined codes, or libertarian in which case other people should do what they like, that's what freedom means. Thinking about how society should be made to operate to make the world a Better Place (TM), as I said, is a definition left-wing mindset.

HTH

So the Socialist left try to find the best way for everyone to live?
The Authoritarian right already know what the best way is and tell everyone what the best way to live is?
And the laissez faire bordering on don't give a fuck libertarians are happy to watch the world burn?

And we're asked to vote on which "methodology" we prefer? Sounds like a bunch of narrow minded fuckwits to me.

[MisterD]

So the Socialist left try to find the best way for everyone to live?
The Authoritarian right already know what the best way is and tell everyone what the best way to live is?
And the laissez faire bordering on don't give a fuck libertarians are happy to watch the world burn?

And we're asked to vote on which "methodology" we prefer? Sounds like a bunch of narrow minded fuckwits to me.

Well as a "don't give a fuck libertarian", it's axiomatic that the best way for everyone to live is with the maximum amount of freedom and self-responsibility. I don't need some poncy intellectual taking time off from writing crap plays or their university sinecure, to tell me how I should be running my life.

[mashman]

Well as a "don't give a fuck libertarian", it's axiomatic that the best way for everyone to live is with the maximum amount of freedom and self-responsibility. I don't need some poncy intellectual taking time off from writing crap plays or their university sinecure, to tell me how I should be running my life.

That's fair enough, and to a huge degree I agree... slightly ironic that a political party would have to go against it's core principle to govern? After all you would be responsible for maintaining law and order. How do you do that without "enforcing" rules? Or are you just going to have a free for all? I fail to see how they're any better than the right or left? Will it be ok for me to go on a killing spree because that's what I choose to do? It'll be ok for me to be as dis-honest as possible, defrauding people out of their money, to the point where if I lie enough I could get into a position where I could bury the country financially? These are the sorts of things I have issues with in regards to the libertarians. They look more dangerous than the right and left?

I'm not having a pop, I'm airing my concerns. How do you disincentivise "bad behaviour"?

[Oscar]

Thinking about how society should be made to operate to make the world a Better Place (TM), as I said, is a definition left-wing mindset.

HTH

Like Mao and Stalin?

[MisterD]

I'm not having a pop, I'm airing my concerns. How do you disincentivise "bad behaviour"?

I think you're confusing Libertarianism (at least as exists wrt to political parties in western countries) and Anarchy. The role of government is to protect and uphold peoples' basic rights and that is all. So a department of justice is an entirely legitimate arm of government.

[MisterD]

Like Mao and Stalin?

Right-wingers don't have a monopoly on authoritarians.

[mashman]

I think you're confusing Libertarianism (at least as exists wrt to political parties in western countries) and Anarchy. The role of government is to protect and uphold peoples' basic rights and that is all. So a department of justice is an entirely legitimate arm of government.

I get that... who sets the "rules" under which the DoJ operates?

[CookMySock]

So, in summation, left and right wing voters are both full of shite... [....] neither left or right have the monopoly on moranism...

Well hey we agreed that they should represent us, and then rule us.

Didn't we?

They're all the same - it's a money go-around for the big players, and we're the mouse on the wheel - without us the system won't work. The only way out of it is change the whole deal, and they aren't going to like that one bit.

[Oscar]

Well hey we agreed that they should represent us, and then rule us.

Didn't we?

By his own admission, he didn't vote.

[mashman]

Well hey we agreed that they should represent us, and then rule us.

Didn't we?

They're all the same - it's a money go-around for the big players, and we're the mouse on the wheel - without us the system won't work. The only way out of it is change the whole deal, and they aren't going to like that one bit.

True.

I didn't, but the fact that I exist on the planet means that I did... voting or not!

Problem is without us, the system doesn't work for us either... kinda cutting yer nose off to spite yer face... I hope I get to see those little surprised faces someday, where 5000 cops face down 30,000 people. That's hypothetical, but I see it happening at some point in the future (probably more people though)... as is oft muttered, blood in the streets is where we're heading, left, right, libertarian, objectivist, anarchist, intellidiotist etc... won't matter a shit. One day I hope we figure that out and avoid the blood in the street bit... but hey, NZ is an ok place to live, we're not as bad as anywhere else in the world and nothing else the world does matters to us... why the need for change.

[avgas]

I am starting to wonder if I am actually and Anarchist.

I don't want someone else's decisions, and I don't want to use someone else for my own mistakes. The only way that is possible is without a scapegoat.....oppps I mean "Government".

But no carry on telling me why I should support right or left......I need to get back to work.

I wonder what a fractal looks like when you have no government?