Congratulations 48%

[Headbanger]

So you can't answer my questions? Was it because I used too many big words?

Lack of interest, The fact that there is grounds for a better plan in regards to the railways only supports my view, not yours.

And any decision or plan of action has various repercussions further down the line, you want to make projections about numbers of trucks on the road (ok champ, give me a number, how many in October 2012 if the price of diesel is $5 a litre and the rail network is running at 80 percent of capacity in comparison to 1976) then go ahead but its pretty much a giant wank.

[oneofsix]

Lack of interest, The fact that there is grounds for a better plan in regards to the railways only supports my view, not yours.

And any decision or plan of action has various repercussions further down the line, you want to make projections about numbers of trucks on the road (ok champ, give me a number, how many in October 2012 if the price of diesel is $5 a litre and the rail network is running at 80 percent of capacity in comparison to 1976) then go ahead but its pretty much a giant wank.

You need to change your bi-line, Ultimate keyboard warrior what a Tui moment, and what a rapid descent into bad language and general "I don't understand" type behaviour.

Thanks for the laugh.

[Headbanger]

You need to change your bi-line, Ultimate keyboard warrior what a Tui moment, and what a rapid descent into bad language and general "I don't understand" type behaviour.

Thanks for the laugh.

Meh I understand completely that Shrub can run rings around me without breaking a sweat, Hence the dismissal of everything he raised as waffle.

The concepts behind his argument are simple to comprehend and not without merit, That doesn't make debating every point worthwhile or entertaining (especially against a foe of his caliber), Nor does it make wasting billions on a broken network a worthy purchase.

Its not, No matter how many circles academics want to run in.

[oneofsix]

Meh I understand completely that Shrub can run rings around me without breaking a sweat, Hence the dismissal of everything he raised as waffle.

The concepts behind his argument are simple to comprehend and not without merit, That doesn't make debating every point worthwhile or entertaining, Nor does it make wasting billions on a broken network a worthy purchase.

Its not, No matter how many circles academics want to run in.

arrh a case of discretion being the better part of valour you seem to be claiming. No prizes for guessing that shrub will not agree

[shrub]

Lack of interest, The fact that there is grounds for a better plan in regards to the railways only supports my view, not yours.

And any decision or plan of action has various repercussions further down the line, you want to make projections about numbers of trucks on the road (ok champ, give me a number, how many in October 2012 if the price of diesel is $5 a litre and the rail network is running at 80 percent of capacity in comparison to 1976) then go ahead but its pretty much a giant wank.

If you're not interested, the why are you debating the subject in the first place?

[Headbanger]

arrh a case of discretion being the better part of valour you seem to be claiming. No prizes for guessing that shrub will not agree

More a case of get in, raise some stink, and get out before they counter attack with superiour weapons and skill.

[Headbanger]

If you're not interested, the why are you debating the subject in the first place?

Because I quit my job, its raining, My son is hogging the xbox, The wife is busy running her company, and after 70 hours of Skyrim I need a break.

[avgas]

Looks like rogonomics achieved more then I thought, It not only rescued a failed economy and enabled the country to function again

Who/What now? While I might not agree with all of Mr D'mages statement. How did an economic tax policy magically fix everything. Do you understand what happened under Rogernomics? (not all was bad, but effectively it did fuck a lot up).

Hell yes I'm biased against our former labour Government, for their failures, which is good grounds to judge any political party on.
National and any other pack of wankers will be held to the same standard, I personally have no issue voting against National or for Labour in the future dependent on performance.

Who you going to vote for next? If you hate national, hate labour, all the minor parties will side with one of the 2.

Don't you think its funny you have to "vote against". Its kinda like someone saying to you.
"You can eat shit, or you can drink piss"..........but you must do one.
"Hang on, how does eating shit or drinking piss help me"
"It doesn't, but if you drink piss you won't have to eat shit"

[Headbanger]

Who/What now? While I might not agree with all of Mr D'mages statement. How did an economic tax policy magically fix everything. Do you understand what happened under Rogernomics? (not all was bad, but effectively it did fuck a lot up).

Do you understand why Rogernomics was required?

The economy had stalled, The country was bankrupt, Company tax rates of 66% had killed all growth and tax evasion was rampant, No banks would lend us money and we were on the brink of collapse.

We were what Greece are now, But instead of rioting in the streets we took the pain and swallowed the fix, The fallout from rogernomics and entering the real world was the more desirable of two paths.

[avgas]

Do you understand why Rogernomics was required?

The economy had stalled, The country was bankrupt, Company tax rates of 66% had killed all growth and tax evasion was rampant, No banks would lend us money and we were on the brink of collapse.

We were what Greece are now, But instead of rioting in the streets we took the pain and swallowed the fix, The fallout from rogernomics and entering the real world was the more desirable of two paths.

That pill is still dissolving.
The exact opposite of what he wanted to happen, happened anyway (just slower).
Telecom, CHH, Energy companies.....used NZ as a cash cow. Draining every dollar by slow increases because they had no competition. Keynesian economic problems occurred without market forces as natural dominant (government unfavored) companies suddenly grabbed more control that their market regulated counterparts.
We became a dumping/laundering ground for cash as it was not invested due to government having control over firms. So rather than international investment going into firms in NZ, the went into debt bonds - which means that while we did grow, we grew slower than everyone else because firms now had debt overhanging them.
This all went balls up in 87 when, everyone had debt and suddenly the interest rates changed.

So we avoided the euro crisis to adopt the american one.
The credit rating dropped twice.

So we avoided a greece style riot, because people worked their arses off to make sure the banks didn't kick them out of their homes while they tried to pay 20% interest rates.

The only people who did good were the people doing FOREX and using NZ as a cash dump.

Then the next government minister went and reversed it (also not so good).

Nope its better when governments don't adopt god like images of themselves and then attempt to change market economics. They only cause Chaos. Likewise "special taxing" simply fucks around with peoples lives.

[BoristheBiter]

Because I quit my job, its raining, My son is hogging the xbox, The wife is busy running her company, and after 70 hours of Skyrim I need a break.

But is it better than oblivion?

[shrub]

Because I quit my job, its raining, My son is hogging the xbox, The wife is busy running her company, and after 70 hours of Skyrim I need a break.

After 70 hours playing a computer game you need a life. You also need to learn that if you believe something (in this case that the govt should have let the rail fail before buying it) you need to be able to respond when someone challenges your belief. Saying "I don't want to talk about it anymore" hardly makes you the ultimate keyboard warrior. Now assume the position please

[Headbanger]

After 70 hours playing a computer game you need a life. You also need to learn that if you believe something (in this case that the govt should have let the rail fail before buying it) you need to be able to respond when someone challenges your belief. Saying "I don't want to talk about it anymore" hardly makes you the ultimate keyboard warrior. Now assume the position please

Meh, Ive played thousands of hours of video games, Enjoyed every second of it, My life is awesome. who are you say what I need to get?

That aside, Its a fact that buying the railway system for as much as they did was a bad move, Not my belief, and I'm not going to argue facts against your "beliefs".

[Headbanger]

But is it better than oblivion?

I didn't enjoy oblivion, but I didn't really give it much of a chance.

Skyrim is one of the better games I have played, Its scope is epic.

[Headbanger]

That pill is still dissolving.
The exact opposite of what he wanted to happen, happened anyway (just slower).
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yeah, I came across as far to positive about it in my post, the entire process has been a total fuck up, but I agree with the reasoning for what was done initially.