Hiviz. Am I a dork?

[Flip]

The only reason high viz works, by that I mean have less accidents is that the rider who voluntarily wear them are more cautious, are better at acessing risk and hence have a better attitude towards their own road safety. It's their attitude that is reducing their accident rate, they would be better safer riders weather they were wearing high viz or not.

And you still look like a dork in a vest!

[tigertim20]

Am I a Dork?

Yes.
Youre like the kid that comes to school in full uniform, knee high socks and all.
On mufti day.

willingly.

[superman]

Yes.
Youre like the kid that comes to school in full uniform, knee high socks and all.
On mufti day.

willingly.

Don't forget the briefcase.

[caspernz]

Does it matter to you what anyone thinks you look like? In 25 years of riding, I've only gone to wearing a hiviz vest in the past year. It's hard to tell whether it makes a tangible difference, you get some people doing a double take and wait for you, but I wouldn't want to give up being prepared to go evasive in case they still pull out on me.
By nature I'm what might be called a safe n sensible rider, so in wearing the hiviz I'm just seeing that as doing all I can to be seen. Still ride the same way as before the hiviz went on though, safe following distances, good positioning on road/lane, and most of all have a degree of patience to go with the flow instead of tearing up thru slow moving traffic. Mind you, while I ride to work rain or shine, shiftwork means I never travel with the bulk of commuter traffic.
So are you a dork? Well, as the saying goes....if you gotta ask... Wear the vest, ride the same way as before, tell us all in a month or so what you've discovered?

[whowhatwhere]

I wear one. Does it make a difference? No idea, but there's no harm in trying.

If people look at us and think we're dorks, then they've obviously seen us to be able to make that judgement!

[sinfull]

Do what ya fucking like, fancy having to ask a silly question like that in here, what a dork !

[riffer]

In my opinion, having tried a high-viz vest for a year daily, it didn't make any difference. It's more to do with road presence and not being meek about it. Own the road and people will give you way.

I reckon for best visibility a high-viz vest must be complemented by a White ST1300 (with panniers and a blue light on a pole at the rear) and a white Shoei Multitec helmet.

[MSTRS:Me]

... it made me feel that little bit more secure and visable ...

And this, folks, is completely the wrong reason for anyone to wear hi-vis. Feeling is NOT being.

[oneofsix]

I wear one. Does it make a difference? No idea, but there's no harm in trying.

If people look at us and think we're dorks, then they've obviously seen us to be able to make that judgement!

the problem is humans are like Ogres and come with many layers, so whilst they've seen you as a dork it doesn't mean they've seen you as a road user. This is why I say black is the best hi-viz, because our primitive brain see black (shadows or the dark) as scary, especially big black things like me.

[Scuba_Steve]

The only reason high viz works, by that I mean have less accidents is that the rider who voluntarily wear them are more cautious, are better at acessing risk and hence have a better attitude towards their own road safety. It's their attitude that is reducing their accident rate, they would be better safer riders weather they were wearing high viz or not.

And you still look like a dork in a vest!

I call bullshit! I think what you might be trying to say is right but the way you said it is bullshit. I am just as good if not better at assessing risk & have just as good attitude for my own safety. However the difference I think is I'll assess & dependant of the risk level may choose to take the risk, whereas the hi-vis will not. So the 1st part about being more cautious is right, But being better at assessing risk & attitude for own safety, Bullshit!

[Flip]

I call bullshit! I think what you might be trying to say is right but the way you said it is bullshit. I am just as good if not better at assessing risk & have just as good attitude for my own safety. However the difference I think is I'll assess & dependant of the risk level may choose to take the risk, whereas the hi-vis will not. So the 1st part about being more cautious is right, But being better at assessing risk & attitude for own safety, Bullshit!

Please read what you tried to write, it does not make much sense.

How do you explain why the high viz wearers have a 34% less chance of having an accident?

[Scuba_Steve]

Please read what you tried to write, it does not make much sense.

How do you explain why the high viz wearers have a 34% less chance of having an accident?

the type of person they are means they are less likely to take a 'calculated risk' or test their limits a bit. Not that they are better at calculating the risk or have more respect for their safety.

^ that was probably the simpler way I should have written it

[avgas]

Shit I am lucky if I remember to wear pants on a motorbike.

I just make damn sure I don't crash into large avoidable objects like Jeeps. Has worked for me since 2004. (Before then I was young and stoopid)

[avgas]

Please read what you tried to write, it does not make much sense.

How do you explain why the high viz wearers have a 34% less chance of having an accident?

I can help a little on this figure. I am part of it right now.
I am wearing a hi-viz, using a computer to chat on KB. It would be rather difficult for me to have an accident don't you think? I don't even know how I would power the computer on the motorbike let alone typing while riding.

[Flip]

the type of person they are means they are less likely to take a 'calculated risk' or test their limits a bit. Not that they are better at calculating the risk or have more respect for their safety.

^ that was probably the simpler way I should have written it

I would suggest that a rider who takes a calculated risk and fucks it up means that he did not understand the risk he was taking. A rider who understands the risks before he puts the keys in the ignition is, by definition better at acessing risk.

There are old riders and bold riders but there are no old bold riders.