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  1. #151
    Quote Originally Posted by slowpoke
    So what the hell did you expect to see? I'm sorry but which part of "motorcycle racing" don't you understand? Surely when you thought "I'm gonna go to the bike races today" you KNEW you would see reasonably late model (plastic) machinery competing?
    And you expected a "meal"? I doubt the advertisement featured the word "restaurant" in the any of the nomenclature. When you go to the rugby/soccer/V8's etc is the food substantially different? I'm not saying the food is fantastic but what did you expect?
    For my money, if you don't find bike racing interesting and you are looking for a pleasant diversion then you are at the wrong venue.
    Enough of the mindless bashing of our sport...if you've got a gripe, tell us what the problem is AND how you'd like to see it improved.
    You've just put it into a nutshell for me there - the word is arogance.Give us a reason to come and watch and we will.I too can't be bothered watching a meeting of lookalike bikes screaming around the track.So I don't go and watch.Balls in your court,not mine.

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    Well im a bit of dumbarse, but i like to put my word foward,

    I would like to see a Class that runs only One bike, and a stock one.

    For example, A hyosung GT250R, fast enough to be fun to ride,

    Looks as good as a real racer (The fairing model)

    They are cheap, Just about any joe blog can afford one (6000 brand new or some thing)

    And as Frosty said they have to be completly stock except for tires and Fairings

    All we need is to get a Major company to 'provide' A special bike (the same bike but a race orreitated one EG no Road crap)
    and then sell them at a reasonable price.

    Think about how close the racing would be!!!!

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    nahh RG--I thought of 250 production. -but the 4 stroke 250's are too slow--no disrespect to 250's.
    500's on the other hand are about the same speed as the old 250 two strokes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TwoSeven
    What about the 125s as an entry level - usefull to teach race and bike craft - they are pretty simple machines ?
    Sorry mate but racing a 125 would put a lot of potential racers off racing. People are there to race not continually try to keep the bike running properly. However they do teach people skills, Its just that the machinery available here is old. I'm not sure how many late NZ Champions did their time on 125's but I don't think its many.

    Frankly I think the level and or quality of the racing is bloody good. The problem is making the event fun and interesting. This is more than about watching bikes now. The biggest car series in Australasia is a two horse race and they all look the same. There is huge spectator support for it. Its all about people wanting to be part of the event.

    $3000 bikes should not be part of National events. In fact crappy bikes should not be even on the circuits. Its a high speed event so machinery with the minimum amount of money spent on them are a danger to the rider and the other competitors.

    Cleve Brown mentioned that overseas the events are more family orientated. We do it with dirt bike events so why not at our premier RR events.

    Frosty's right in that a cheap minimal modification production based class similar to the old 250 production class should be reintroduced. This should also include a set amount of tyres to be used etc etc etc. Just adds complexity to simple ideas. But even these classes become populated with high caliber racers looking for easy wins. Which is always frustrating to the budding racer. There is also a disparity with the performance of non supersport bikes in relation to each other. This then has the rule makers trying to create an even playing field.



    So should we have a one make class with controls ie "The Hyosung Cup".

    Our racing classes are generally a result of what we like to purchase for road bikes. The dominance of Gixxers on this site is reflected by the dominance of Gixxers on the race tracks of NZ.
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    Quote Originally Posted by motobob
    $3000 bikes should not be part of National events. In fact crappy bikes should not be even on the circuits. Its a high speed event so machinery with the minimum amount of money spent on them are a danger to the rider and the other competitors.
    Gotta disagree there. My $750 bike did fine. (I'll admit it WAS streetstock)

    The bike wasn't a danger to anyone (if it was, it was the fact it was my first time on a track, not the bike)

    I can't even afford a $3000 bike. Racing a bike that costs more than what I can afford is out of the question. This would stop me racing.
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    YOU BARGAR!!!

    you got a RG for 750....

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    Just read all these posts again, seems the big prob is lack of suitable machines for one. The big companies are into 1000cc and 600cc bikes thats where the sales and competition are these days. Racing was never about cheap so forget that but, there are a few twins out there now sv's en's etc.
    What about entry level twins.This would be looking towards the future and still allow the old 250's and 400's in till they faded away through a combination of old age and not been up to the pace.Then you could run a superstock 600 class and your F1. With the possibility of a pro twin group for all the big twins that are kicking around sp's rsv's tl's 996 etc.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Motu
    You've just put it into a nutshell for me there - the word is arogance.Give us a reason to come and watch and we will.I too can't be bothered watching a meeting of lookalike bikes screaming around the track.So I don't go and watch.Balls in your court,not mine.
    I say again: WHAT DO YOU EXPECT SEE?
    I'm not arrogant I'm just absolutely baffled...I mean, if you go along to the rugby and there's endless pre-game and half-time "fillers" most people soon get shat-off. The assumption by "promoters" (ok, I used the word reluctantly) is that there is at least a passing interest in the so-called "core activity". Yet you seem disappointed/resentful that something other than motorcycle racing isn't supplied.
    If you "can't be bothered watching a meeting of lookalike bikes screaming around a track" then DON'T.
    I don't mean to offend but we've all got choices to make and if you're into it and choose to go racing or choose to watch racing then cool...if you're not into it and choose to do something else then that's cool too. I just don't understand why you would turn up to a motorcycle race meeting and be disappointed when you see motorcycles racing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slowpoke
    /If you "can't be bothered watching a meeting of lookalike bikes screaming around a track" then DON'T.
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    Yes,I'm doing that part quite well thank you - now,how do you propose to get me to come and watch....or don't you care,because that's what this thread is all about.

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    I think Motu has a ggod point.
    The biggest meeting in the coubntry is BOTS -as a track the place sucks
    Bumps,high kerbing etc --but as a spectacle its fantatstic.food and t shirt stalls everywhere and a stunning atmosphere.

    SOO--what do we need to do to recreate bots for our other meetings??
    I hate to say it but I think the nationals need to be sold to a promotions company and given a lot more promotion.
    The comment about tracks being shitholes--is 100% correct but then its the same track that the auzzie V8's race on yet 15000 or more people go there to watch.there is a carnival atmosphere created with stalls portaloos etc.
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    I've been watching motorsport since I was a kid,and we are talking the 1960's there...back when the Mt Wellington go cart track was dirt,when motocross was held on Mangere Mt,so I've put in the hard yards as a spectator,seldom a competitor.

    I still watch speedway,and if you want to see a motor sport hanging on by the the skin of it's teeth but putting on a good show,go to a speedway meeting.You are up and close with the racing,the riders mingle with the crowd because their family and friends come to watch,the spectators are boyant,cheering and clapping,laughing and yelling good natured abuse to their mates in a spill,but showing concern for injuries.The races run rapid fire,the anouncers involved and knowledgable about the sport and riders,joining in the banter.

    It's good fun - a long way from the aloof prima donna's of road racing.An attitude change is needed by the competitors - look at how much interest Rossi has generated in MotoGP by his competiveness and fun antics,take him away and interest would drop.Don't expect people to come and watch you,give them a reason to come and they'll be there...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Motu
    I've been watching motorsport since I was a kid,and we are talking the 1960's there...back when the Mt Wellington go cart track was dirt,when motocross was held on Mangere Mt,so I've put in the hard yards as a spectator,seldom a competitor.

    I still watch speedway,and if you want to see a motor sport hanging on by the the skin of it's teeth but putting on a good show,go to a speedway meeting.You are up and close with the racing,the riders mingle with the crowd because their family and friends come to watch,the spectators are boyant,cheering and clapping,laughing and yelling good natured abuse to their mates in a spill,but showing concern for injuries.The races run rapid fire,the anouncers involved and knowledgable about the sport and riders,joining in the banter.

    It's good fun - a long way from the aloof prima donna's of road racing.An attitude change is needed by the competitors - look at how much interest Rossi has generated in MotoGP by his competiveness and fun antics,take him away and interest would drop.Don't expect people to come and watch you,give them a reason to come and they'll be there...
    Hey Motu, what do you mean by an attiyude change is required by the prima donna's? I know a lot of the best riders in this country, and if you were to ask them a question or say hi, you would get an awnser or a hello back, so where is the problem really?

    It is alway difficult to compare an apple with a pair! The speedway world is brilliant as you described, partly due to the close enviroment it is run in, IE, it is up close, and it has held a huge spot in the hearts of KIWI petrol heads for years as the sport and culture grew when the old saying of GIVE IT A GO still existed! now we breed quite a soft PC culture. The road racing scene is totally a different kettle of fish, back in the old days that you refer to were brilliant, heaps of ROAD racing going on, lots ot Tobacco money to promote and bring over forign riders, loads of road bike sales etc etc.

    I do not know how to fix it, but I would love to read your opinion on how to go about fixing it, you seem to be an intelligent person, so go on, throw out the way for us to improve our sport based on all your years of experience please mate.

    To critisize is easy, to fix is hard!

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    That's the problem,I don'tknow,haven't got a friggen clue.

    Shit,I just wrote another big rave,but it's all pointless so I wiped it.I blame modern culture - as an old fart that is my privalige,to blame the young for our ills.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Motu
    That's the problem,I don'tknow,haven't got a friggen clue.

    Shit,I just wrote another big rave,but it's all pointless so I wiped it.I blame modern culture - as an old fart that is my privalige,to blame the young for our ills.
    but im young, an i love road racing... hence why i've been helping out as a marshall... however most of the biking community would rather be out enjoying their own bikes than watching some guy they dont know going extremely fast on his.

    And they normally charge to watch club level racing... when was the last time you paid to go and see a club level soccer/cricket/rugby match?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZorsT
    Gotta disagree there. My $750 bike did fine. (I'll admit it WAS streetstock)

    The bike wasn't a danger to anyone (if it was, it was the fact it was my first time on a track, not the bike)

    I can't even afford a $3000 bike. Racing a bike that costs more than what I can afford is out of the question. This would stop me racing.
    thats what he is sorta saying... you race against other people on similar bikes that they bought for similar prices... but who wants to come and watch a whole lot of rat bikes ringing their nuts off around a track - not me. I can handle watching 125gp bikes go around because they are doing good times (they top out at around 220kmh)... but to watch a field of RG150's go around a decent race track would be boring, especially for more than 6 or so laps.
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    It's better to not pass and know that you could have than to pass and find out that you can't. Wait for the straight.

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