First world problems

[ducatilover]

You could have just built your own computer and then installed OSX on a VM with VMWare Workstation (there's a torrent download which includes everything you need + instructions on how to do it, very simple to configure). Boots up almost instantly for me as well

How well does OSX run on your PC?

[SMOKEU]

Funny enough many people are happier spending money so they don't have to do any of that shit.

And to them (yeah, I know this is crazy) they expect to buy something and to have it work when they get home and plug it in, Anything more then that and they figure the product is shit, they bought the wrong thing, and next time they will buy something else.

I compared the specs of an Apple computer from the Apple NZ website with similar hardware specs to my own computer, and the genuine Apple computer costs around $3,000 more than what it cost me to build my own computer. I also have a better video card and a SSD which the $3,000 more expensive Apple computer lacks.

It took me about 2 hours of my time to get OSX setup properly. And I saved about $3,000. Epic win for me.

How well does OSX run on your PC?

It works very well and hasn't given me any problems. I feed the VM 2 real cores + 2 virtual cores (I enabled Intel virtualisation technology in my BIOS) and gave it 4GB of dedicated RAM. The leaves the host OS (Windows 7) with the 2 remaining physical cores, 2 virtual cores and 4GB of RAM as well.

A mate of mine has been an Apple fan for years and has has just about every Apple product ever made in the past 10 years and he says it runs just as well as any Apple computer he's ever used.

There is always the hackintosh method to run OSX natively on non Apple hardware but that's a lot more work to get it working properly.

[Scuba_Steve]

I compared the specs of an Apple computer from the Apple NZ website with similar hardware specs to my own computer, and the genuine Apple computer costs around $3,000 more than what it cost me to build my own computer. I also have a better video card and a SSD which the $3,000 more expensive Apple computer lacks.

1st lets be honest your still not comparing Apples with "Apples" tho are you? Apple usually includes a whole bunch of "smaller" items people tend to overlook when comparing.
But more to the point Apple makes it's $$$ off the hardware it's no secret so while start-up can cost more, over the life of my Apple computers & having brought the OS's over that time had I done the same with a PC I would currently be worse off than I am now (plus I would have probably had to upgrade HW) So all-in-all owning Apple has not only been a much, much, much more pleasant & stress-free experience, it has also worked out cheaper (in a legal sense)

[ducatilover]

It works very well and hasn't given me any problems. I feed the VM 2 real cores + 2 virtual cores (I enabled Intel virtualisation technology in my BIOS) and gave it 4GB of dedicated RAM. The leaves the host OS (Windows 7) with the 2 remaining physical cores, 2 virtual cores and 4GB of RAM as well.

A mate of mine has been an Apple fan for years and has has just about every Apple product ever made in the past 10 years and he says it runs just as well as any Apple computer he's ever used.

There is always the hackintosh method to run OSX natively on non Apple hardware but that's a lot more work to get it working properly.

Interesting stuff. I wouldn't mind doing it, I like OSX but, I'm not sure what it'll offer me over win7 ultimate on a 32bit processor.

[SMOKEU]

1st lets be honest your still not comparing Apples with "Apples" tho are you? Apple usually includes a whole bunch of "smaller" items people tend to overlook when comparing.
But more to the point Apple makes it's $$$ off the hardware it's no secret so while start-up can cost more, over the life of my Apple computers & having brought the OS's over that time had I done the same with a PC I would currently be worse off than I am now (plus I would have probably had to upgrade HW) So all-in-all owning Apple has not only been a much, much, much more pleasant & stress-free experience, it has also worked out cheaper (in a legal sense)

Those mass produced Harvey Norman computer like HP, Dell etc are crap. I built my one with high quality components, Asus motherboard, GSkill RAM, Corsair PSU, Intel CPU, AMD GPU, Western Digital HDDs, OWC SSD etc so it's not a crappy system built with cheap and nasty parts. Since Apple moved to Intel a few years ago you'll find that Apple computers use the same hardware as ordinary, off the shelf computers. The main difference is the BIOS, that's why you can't just put an Apple OS natively on a non Apple computer.

A high end computer today will be obsolete within 3-4 years anyway.

Interesting stuff. I wouldn't mind doing it, I like OSX but, I'm not sure what it'll offer me over win7 ultimate on a 32bit processor.

I just did it for fun to see what OSX Lion is like. It was OK, but I'd still rather have Linux Mint or Ubuntu if I was looking for an "alternative" OS.

[Scuba_Steve]

The main difference is the BIOS

Yep Apple don't have one

[onearmedbandit]

One mention of iTunes and this becomes an Apple vs PC thread. Fuck me.

Anywayz I only bought my iphone cos it ties in with my work well. Oh and Siri fucking rocks, never have to type or read a text again. Had a text conversation with a friend the other night, only had to push the home button when I received a text, Siri did the rest. Can't think of a better phone for a guy with one arm.

[SMOKEU]

Yep Apple don't have one

There must be something which prevents the installing of an Apple OS on a non Apple computer. I was just guessing that the install disc would check to see if the hardware is genuine Apple by looking at the motherboard. Since modern Apple computers use Intel processors it can't be that, or the RAM, video card, HDDs since they're all generic.

The motherboard is the only part I can think of that is not generic. The PSU, monitor, mouse or keyboard won't have anything to do with it.

[Scuba_Steve]

One mention of iTunes and this becomes an Apple vs PC thread. Fuck me.

Oi! this is First world problems right here!!! Mac vs PC

There must be something which prevents the installing of an Apple OS on a non Apple computer. I was just guessing that the install disc would check to see if the hardware is genuine Apple by looking at the motherboard. Since modern Apple computers use Intel processors it can't be that, or the RAM, video card, HDDs since they're all generic.
The motherboard is the only part I can think of that is not generic.

I wouldn't totally guarantee the CPU's are generic either, but Apples don't use BIOS they use EFI. It was/is the EFI that is "unique".
(BIOS=basic input-output system, EFI=Extensible Firmware Interface)

get a motherboard with EFI & you can technically flash it to Apple spec.

[SMOKEU]

I wouldn't totally guarantee the CPU's are generic either, but Apples don't use BIOS they use EFI. It was/is the EFI that is "unique".
(BIOS=basic input-output system, EFI=Extensible Firmware Interface)

get a motherboard with EFI & you can technically flash it to Apple spec.

I didn't know that, time for me to do some Googling. It's possible to have an EFI BIOS isn't it? The motherboard that I've got has a BIOS which looks like this:



Note how it says "EFI BIOS" at the top.

[Headbanger]

I compared the specs of an Apple computer from the Apple NZ website with similar hardware specs to my own computer, and the genuine Apple computer costs around $3,000 more than what it cost me to build my own computer. I also have a better video card and a SSD which the $3,000 more expensive Apple computer lacks.

It took me about 2 hours of my time to get OSX setup properly. And I saved about $3,000. Epic win for me.

Its a win for you because it suits you, Just like buying an off-the shelf unit suits others. Their requirements and expectations are different, what suits you doesn't apply, and due to this in the vast majority of cases your advice on what they should do is well off the mark.