Mini-motard for bucket racing?

[ajturbo]

Drew.. your a pussy that cannot do wheel stands.

Koba... wow.. that was clear

jasonu... 1977... frig your OLD

Moools...

thats about right?

[Moooools]

Moools...

Is that the same face you were making when I was beating you on the EN125?

[Str8 Jacket]

Is that the same face you were making when I was beating you on the EN125?

Ha, you were both beaten by a Girl! Well, in one race anyway....

[ajturbo]

Is that the same face you were making when I was beating you on the EN125?

Ha, you were both beaten by a Girl! Well, in one race anyway....

no comment

but my 50 over took you ..once

[Moooools]

Hey now that was a tyre problem. Will have to have some serious talks with my suppliers.

[Str8 Jacket]

Hey now that was a tyre problem. Will have to have some serious talks with my suppliers.

Excuses will not be tolerated, that's just pussy talk!

[Buckets4Me]

Dunno who or what, just remember a bunch of guys having a laugh, because the guy riding it was poo and he was so far back no one cared. It was some time ago by all accounts.

Bet ya anything you like though, that some of the bikes out theere aren't strictly inside the rules.

I remember an rg150. But he never got any point and his dad (Real racer) smashed it good second lap of the 2 hour (it never came back)

and I do remember 3 or 4 mini motos as well (I think they did get points but most upgraded to real buckets. Ie more than 4 gears)

[goivy26]

I purchased my FMX140 sometime ago with the express intention of of racing it in F4,

I read the rules and only after that made the decission to purchase one because....

It is under 150cc 4 stroke

And that the engine was not derived from competition motorcycles. Motocross, Road Racing, Enduro and Go Kart motors.

There is no mention of Pit bike as that is what my Forza (not the 155) is, a PIT BIKE.

The engine is derived from an ancient Honda Monkey, CT90-110 etc etc and is the basis of dozens of Road, Dirt, Kids or Pit Bike used out there as well as not so many full competion Racing Pit Bike throughout the world.

Previously in this thread someone mentioned that in the advertising for my FMX140 is that the FMX was an abreviation for Forza Motocross, and I conceed that is the case but it is still a PIT BIKE and wouldn't you then have to conceed that the MX in the title of a Yamaha MX 80 or 100 (dirty little 2 stroke from many moons ago that I learned to ride on) is an abreviation for Motocross? Don't take advertising hype as gospel.

My co-rider brought a FMX155 the weekend that we did the 2hr because he had so much, before he did he checked with the steward who told him it would be fine as it was under the 158.09cc.

On reading the rules I would agree that it is not.

So on that point he and I spoke about it and he is going to purchase a Standard 140 engine to keep it all above board and within the rules as we are not there to piss anyone off we just want to race and have a bit of fun.

So what I want to know is are we going to have any problems when we show up to race at the remaining North Island rounds? Are we going to get protested ?

Ivan

[ajturbo]

Ivan .. Ivan ..Ivan..

i have nothing to add to be honest,
except

My GT125 with STD carbs is deemed to be illegal due to the fact the carbs are 0.000005m3 too big..but everyone feels sorry for me and let me race it... knowing full well that if i ever win, it will be because everyone else has fallen off

[Drew]

I purchased my FMX140 sometime ago with the express intention of of racing it in F4,

...
...

So what I want to know is are we going to have any problems when we show up to race at the remaining North Island rounds? Are we going to get protested ?

Ivan

This should get a good response. Someone might actually have to think about both sides of the coin for once.

[Drew]

My co-rider brought a FMX155 the weekend that we did the 2hr because he had so much, before he did he checked with the steward who told him it would be fine as it was under the 158.09cc.

On reading the rules I would agree that it is not.

So on that point he and I spoke about it and he is going to purchase a Standard 140 engine to keep it all above board and within the rules as we are not there to piss anyone off we just want to race and have a bit of fun.

So what I want to know is are we going to have any problems when we show up to race at the remaining North Island rounds? Are we going to get protested ?

Ivan

What's funny, is that if your mate gets a standard 140 motor, use the head of the 155 and all the fruity bits.

[koba]

This should get a good response. Someone might actually have to think about both sides of the coin for once.

Perhaps not the sort of response you expect because you either haven't read or haven't understood alot of the replies already.

Most of the replies that put the bike as illegal are out of concern for the unwary purchaser, which doesn't really make it a heads or tails situation from that viewpoint.

[koba]

So on that point he and I spoke about it and he is going to purchase a Standard 140 engine to keep it all above board and within the rules as we are not there to piss anyone off we just want to race and have a bit of fun.

So what I want to know is are we going to have any problems when we show up to race at the remaining North Island rounds? Are we going to get protested ?

Ivan

Ivan,
Welcome.
I'm sure you will have a bloody good time if you race at the North Island rounds.
I can't speak for everyone and may no guarantees but I would suggest worries about hangovers are more pertinent than worries about protests.

You may even enjoy it enough to justify buying an FXR or the like in the future.

[Drew]

Perhaps not the sort of response you expect because you either haven't read or haven't understood alot of the replies already.

Most of the replies that put the bike as illegal are out of concern for the unwary purchaser, which doesn't really make it a heads or tails situation from that viewpoint.

Care to eleborate on that a bit Malcom, reads a bit pretentious and condescending for my liking the way it sits.

I have asked repeatedly what exactly about the bike, those who think they're in the know consider is not inside the rules for the class. And not one of the replies gives a definitive answer.

If no one can say why it isn't allowed with any certainty, the bike is allowed.

The 155 is over the capacity limit, (untill you buy a 140 barrel and bore it out that is), but the bikes are not derived from a competition machine. It's simple as far as I can see. I really have tryed to look at this from all angles, but cannot find any reasonable excuse to exclude them.

I can see that the orignal trademe listing was misrepresenting the 155cc bike though, just incase someone else wants to call me a moron for not getting that bit.

[F5 Dave]

ok try this on for welks. and no I don't know what a welk is, sort of like some sort of sea crustation but not quite.


ok so if a manufacturer was to manufacture a copy of an FXR150 but fitted some fruity racing bits & sold it as a competition bike, well it is illegal. It was derived from an FXR. But clearly sold as a competition model.

If its a direct copy of a FXR & sold as a playbike or roadbike then that would be legal. This is how I see the Longchin, but I try not to get too close to one. Fortunately Fishe makes that part easy.

How close to either of these examples is the bike in question? Heck I dunno, but therein lies the rub. If it was sold & expected to survive forever then you'd lean to playbike. But you could offer a full house 13,000rpm monster plonked on the humble cases. Derived from? well. . .
That's why the rules don't allow competition engines, it tidies things up in the only sensible manner.

Indeed the Japs often made race kits for their humble road 100s & 50s for racing (usually in asian markets). Of course the Airforce boys had access to this sort of stuff on their postings in the 80s & the rules were made to dissuade people using these parts.