Mini-motard for bucket racing?

**Drew** · 30th July 2012, 17:53

Originally Posted by koba

I'd say that has started as a 125, thus under 150, whaddya think?

Also, the Forza 155 started life as a 110cc. At least, the casings and outer barrel came from moulds that were.

**blackdog** · 30th July 2012, 18:07

'tards with high pegs and clip ons. I think Drew mentioned it and it isn't unheard of.

http://www.europeanjuniorcup.com/ejc...ses-in-testing

**bucketracer** · 30th July 2012, 18:20

Originally Posted by Drew

Also, the Forza 155 started life as a 110cc. At least, the casings and outer barrel came from moulds that were.

But it didnt leave the factory as a 110

Originally Posted by Drew

... that is an XL125 200 hybrid thing ...

Which probably did leave the factory as a 125

**richban** · 30th July 2012, 18:29

Originally Posted by Dutchee

They raced, they crashed. getting tempted to see who's keen on helping out with the protest fee to sort this shit out. Do any of these guys flag (serious question, I have no idea). I will no longer go on the track with these people. and I'm being seriously polite.
I'mat the point I don't care if I put people off, I do anot think carving up someone on a 100 in practice (on practice day) is called for.

Sounds like one off them issues that the clerk of the course and riders rep should have sorted on the day. Looks like people need a hand smack. Its fun for all when its working well. If people are riding like fucken then it needs sorting for sure. But you are either a cock or not regardless of what you ride.

**blackdog** · 30th July 2012, 18:39

Thanks for the sig quote richban. Succinct, more people should read it.

**Henk** · 30th July 2012, 19:43

Originally Posted by richban

Sounds like one off them issues that the clerk of the course and riders rep should have sorted on the day. Looks like people need a hand smack. Its fun for all when its working well. If people are riding like fucken then it needs sorting for sure. But you are either a cock or not regardless of what you ride.

we're going through changes and had enough on our plates and with me it didn't really register until later. Next meet I should go talk to some of the organizers, and not be naughty and not comment on here. I was either flagging or trying to do other stuff on the day, as were a lot of the others. the weather didn't help either. My bad, oops.
Michelle (forgot I was logged on as Henk)

**NOID** · 30th July 2012, 20:30

I dont see the issue with mini motard in the bucket class as long as they comply with the rules and ride with feet up!!!!! soon it may be me with a mini motard not a Forza etc a real one, something like a CR or RM framed Loncin or other.

there not that expensive to buy as a rolling frame/exploded 2T !!! and a easy way for buckets to possibly get a few more people to there events as they could race them as a bucket then swap some standard MX rims and trail ride on other weekend. i know my brother who is a motor cross freak is chomping at the bit for me to build a real mini motard as he would like to have a go. I have a motard and have raced it as a motard, i have done trackdays but with feet up always as the course stewards have always inforced this, and i wold not be riding it any other way when up against sports bikes - would be stupid to do so !!!

The real issue is the guys who see some wicked cool stuff on the net and think that it can be replicated on a 155cc forza that they buy off a mate for a box of beer etc, they have no respect for the time and dollars that some people invest in there buckets and just want to ride like Davide Gozzini etc and they WILL end up crashing due to there lack of skill and there rubbish bike

its a real shame for a very small few to ruin/put people off racing

Rant over

**koba** · 30th July 2012, 20:43

Originally Posted by NOID

soon it may be me with a mini motard not a Forza etc a real one, something like a CR or RM framed Loncin or other.

Perfectly legal and quite a good idea. Have you seen the RX125 engined MX bike that's around sometimes? I think its a CR125, goes well and is deceptively light.

**koba** · 30th July 2012, 20:45

Originally Posted by Drew

The rule specifically says "rebore". The sleeve in Steve's bike is as factory.

Could be a technical bad then.

**koba** · 30th July 2012, 20:47

Originally Posted by Drew

Also, the Forza 155 started life as a 110cc. At least, the casings and outer barrel came from moulds that were.

The previous argument holds merit, this one doesn't.

**Henk** · 30th July 2012, 21:00

Originally Posted by koba

Perfectly legal and quite a good idea. Have you seen the RX125 engined MX bike that's around sometimes? I think its a CR125, goes well and is deceptively light.

YZ125, seriously cool piece of kit.

**mossy1200** · 30th July 2012, 21:49

Originally Posted by Drew

The rule specifically says "rebore". The sleeve in Steve's bike is as factory.

Nah its started as 185 sleeve and is bored to .25mm over then stroked to 156cc in the spirit of bucket racing. Its one of three with the same set up out of four bikes at the last meeting and xl185 bore with gl145 head, xl185 head, xr200 head xl 125 crank is quite a common bucket build engine delivering massive hp in mine of 13.9hp.
The spirit of the sport is as important as the interpretation of the rulebook.

Factory manufactured bike at 155cc is a little different but sleeve it down to 150cc with a smaller piston a race it then bore it out and put the original piston back into it(piston open).?????????????? Is that legal but not in the spirit.

Im happy if im asked to not run my combo. I would just build a 35+hp 2t with cash since im over invested and theres no turning back now in my wifes eyes as im well beyound the quit out stage in dollar and time terms.

**bucketracer** · 30th July 2012, 22:29

Originally Posted by mossy1200

Factory manufactured bike at 155cc is a little different but sleeve it down to 150cc with a smaller piston a race it then bore it out and put the original piston back into it(piston open).?????????????? Is that legal but not in the spirit.

Not sure about the legals but the effort would certainly be in the spirit.

**richban** · 30th July 2012, 23:03

Originally Posted by bucketracer

Not sure about the legals but the effort would certainly be in the spirit.

Totally legal in my book. I have sleeved an FXR down then rebored the sleeve to get back the max cc. Started life as a 150 fucked with it lots then 157 then blew to bits. Stupid wording but easy to work around.