Cemetery Circuit Prize Giving

[et al]

Just one of those days when lots of things went wrong, sure there were issues which no doubt the organisers will review and take on board for next year. In spite of all the dramas I still enjoyed it, long may this unique event continue. Those National/top riders who turned up did not have to be there, but they chose to for whatever reason so good on them. Will our sport get the same crowd support and exposure for the riders and sponsors during the upcoming National series?

[suzuki21]

Dont get me wrong Steve Dan was the man this time and last year by far the fastest and hardest rider, Im pleased I wasnt racing there this year as I would have had to stick my neck out a long way just to keep him in sight. Last year I had all sorts of trouble with concussion from the week before crashes at Manfeild so this year may have been slighly better but I really dont think I would have had any answers for Dan the Man

He sure missed you racing, he may be hard but he is fair and wants to beat the best as you want to. I know you have had some concussion - head injuries, but in saying that I think you have always been a little mental.

[Deano]

Just one of those days when lots of things went wrong, sure there were issues which no doubt the organisers will review and take on board for next year. In spite of all the dramas I still enjoyed it, long may this unique event continue. Those National/top riders who turned up did not have to be there, but they chose to for whatever reason so good on them. Will our sport get the same crowd support and exposure for the riders and sponsors during the upcoming National series?

I can't believe you stayed in your leathers all day !!

[Shaun]

Rip-off to the top riders or a missed opportunity to showcase your sponsors?To be proffessional should not one go with the other?
Especially at arguably NZ's top street race for crowd numbers alone.And between you and me most of the punters would'nt know their Strouds from Stauffers when all they want is to be entertained on Boxing day.
I for one sure as hell was,we saw the lap record smashed by Stauffer/Yamaha and what could well be the handing over of the mantle to Mr Nick Cole (not his fault noone else was there to grab it)but he made fucken sure he was in the running.
Charlett and Skachill sharing the 600 honours and local boys kicking arse in the Motards...pretty damn successful day if you ask me.

And while i'm at it those much maligned club racers dont do it for the money or glory or even sponsors (if they have any)but for the love of the sport and the buzz of competing.You could argue that it makes them more professional.

I Like your attitude and healthy response, now I will will read the rest

[Ivan]

you rig fail scruiteneering? and the owner didn't notice the faults....you should have been booted....thats just not even close to good enough!

there was nothing even wrong with our rig it was a high spot in the brazing one scruitineer said it was fine the other was worried nothing bad at all had lots of engineers even look at it. The owner of my rig had checked the bike over before racing anyway its not his fault just a scruitineer worrying about something that was nothing

[Shaun]

well I can't argue with that because I just plain don't know....I've been away too long to know whos who...and whos good...whos thrashing a dead horse....etc

fair point

I think you know my mental attitude well enough to know that I am only speaking the truth and may loose some more potentuall friends due to it? But for fuk sake, if you cannot make qualify in NZ at wanganui and had a doubt about your self in the first place, please stay at home and stop a lot of dramas for other racers and the paying crowd and let the day day progress instaed of trying to be a hero and fukin up and crashing again and causing major delays to an important day in history in NZ.

The organisres need to get there shit together big time or simply fuk off and stop being involved in such a potentaually dangerous game.

do 5 jobs and do them all correct, instead of trying to make money from 10 jobs and getting 98% of them WRONG

[Shaun]

Will our sport get the same crowd support and exposure for the riders and sponsors during the upcoming National series?

NO, but it will NOT have the same NEGATIVE response in general due to being such a piss poor managed event from low class entry of riders to how the 4 wheel dirt bike was ridden with out a helmet on the rider to how the balles just burned whilst people tried to figure out how to use a TRIGGER for god sake.

As far as sponsors and marketing goes, forgett about it, numbers are just numbers and can be be rearranged to read well to any one

[koba]

I think you know my mental attitude well enough to know that I am only speaking the truth and may loose some more potentuall friends due to it?

Do you ever read over your old posts? Perhaps evaluating them from different angles?

[Robert Taylor]

Its on http://www.nzsbk.com/ except they say 49.081?

Am waiting for someone to mention Dan had near stock bike and supsension too..........

Given his personal speed he would have smashed the lap record with decent suspension. It was noticable that his rear shock was fading in the RH Memorial race.

[Shaun]

Do you ever read over your old posts? Perhaps evaluating them from different angles?

No I never look back, some times have to apologise though

[scracha]

You may not have noticed, but the most successful guys rarely fall off....having the nous to realise that winning involves finishing races is a big part of being successful.

I'd love to hear what you consider to be the real problems....

I made a rather infamous couple of posts the last time I rode at Wanganui....you know..the year when F2 didn't get their first race until nearly 2pm. From the response I got it was clear that many people don't want to hear what riders consider the real problems.

+ve's. Big TV screens. TV coverage. Large (but getting smaller) crowd. Large number of entries. Surface generally good. Safety miles better than Paeroa - airfences, lampost covers, etc. Scrutineering the day before. History of the event. Support from Wanganui. Sponsors, stalls, brolly dollys.
-ve's. Not much track time. Much confusion about who/what/where. Idiot drunks. Many top riders missing due to conflict with Nats / safety issues. Late start. Stupid delays. Perhaps event being taken for granted?


Suggestions (they may have done some of this since I last rode)
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Have Less classes - won't be popular but something's clearly gotta give.
Just have 1 longer practise/qualifying session per class instead of 2.
Faster / more organised start - riders are there the day before and at the crack of dawn so the "virgin" practise should start as soon as local legislation allows.
Faster crash cleanup (obviously injured riders can't be moved quickly) - is there a legal/safety reason crashed/broken bikes can't be just moved behind barrier for a few races.
Better PA system
Better rider info prior to event (website or on confirmed entry letter)
Pit passes for riders + support crew
Start point needs moved. Maybe nearer the 1st corner or near the pits / bennets bridge...less 1st corner crashes.
Overnight Scrutineering (obviously beer tokens would be involved).
Consistency in rider callouts (tricky with last lap crashes).
Proper catch tanks / fairings as per Chopper's suggestion.
Have scruitineers traverse pits once. Anyone who fails/misses scrut's as normal. At least do this for helmet/gear check.
Petition Wanganui council to remove/redisign lamposts opposite corners (how many years has event been going?)
Petition Wanganui council to flatten some of the high curbs on corners (see above)
A marshall at the pit entrace to move spectators safely out the way
Maybe the track layout/location needs a rethink....it's way too tight for F1/F2 bikes....perhaps ask "top" riders?
Could understand separating sidecars on fast circuits like Paeroa but seems pretty daft at Wanganui. Is this an MNZ thing?
Did they ditch superpole?
Kick out the drunks/louts
RT is correct, spectator safety needs to be more pro-active.

[jellywrestler]

Have Less classes - won't be popular but something's clearly gotta give.
who then would you suggest?????
Just have 1 longer practise/qualifying session per class instead of 2.that's just dangerous, how does one evalute their session and look for a different approach either riding style of suspension gearing or other machine changes?????
Faster / more organised start - riders are there the day before and at the crack of dawn so the "virgin" practise should start as soon as local legislation allows.think you'll find it does, there was a glitch when the lead bike didn't start and (some) people on here have laid the blame at the organisers feet cause his bike wouldn't go! which is childish
Faster crash cleanup I too was dissapointed when they pulled up and set up their picnic tables, got out their kegs and had smoko before they even looked at the crashes (obviously injured riders can't be moved quickly) - is there a legal/safety reason crashed/broken bikes can't be just moved behind barrier for a few races. maybe if you opened your eyes you would notice that most of the barriers not only interlink but they have a second row behind them of some description and it simply isn't possible ( and we saw what happened when a hot bike leaned against a haybale... (crashed into it and the exhaust did the rest)
Better PA systemwhat was the issues with this I wasn't in a position to notice? If it was intermittent did people go and notify race control etc or just simply whine about it?
Better rider info prior to event (website or on confirmed entry letter)what didn't they tell you that you A couldn't email them for clarification B ask a fellow competitor?
Pit passes for riders + support crewhow many did they allocate you and what do you think they should have?
Start point needs moved. Maybe nearer the 1st corner or near the pits / bennets bridge...less 1st corner crashes.now you're being sily, it's worked for over 60 meetings and don't forget it's also the finish point
Overnight Scrutineering (obviously beer tokens would be involved).there's plenty of time for the commited rider to get there and scrutineered
Consistency in rider callouts (tricky with last lap crashes).email the crew www.cemeterycircuit.co.nz and offer your services for next year
Proper catch tanks / fairings as per Chopper's suggestion.that's not a problem solely for the Cemetery Circuit Evere heard of a place called the Northwest 200? check out how it went this year
Have scruitineers traverse pits onceand a mobile sandwhich bar, massage girls, anal bleaching just for you too. Anyone who fails/misses scrut's as normal. At least do this for helmet/gear check.
Petition Wanganui council to remove/redisign lamposts opposite corners (how many years has event been going?)it's already been done, they call it Manfeild
Petition Wanganui council to flatten some of the high curbs on corners (see above)ditto
A marshall at the pit entrace to move spectators safely out the way
Maybe the track layout/location needs a rethink....it's way too tight for F1/F2 bikes....perhaps ask "top" riders? you're not going to last till midnight tonight if you're on drugs this early in the day
Could understand separating sidecars on fast circuits like Paeroa but seems pretty daft at Wanganui. Is this an MNZ thing? number 74 out there won the New Zealand Sidecar Championship in 1973, would you seriuosly put a Suzuki TR500 out there in superbikes, again lay off the drugs and FYI it is an MNZ rule and was the result of the investigation of a fatality
Did they ditch superpole?you mean you've got all these pearls of wisdom and you didn't even notice whether they ran it or not????WERE YOU EVEN THERE or are you just a keyboard warrior?
Kick out the drunks/loutsThey had an alcohol limit to the event and police supervision too, did you join your motorycle club to be a bouncer?
RT is correct, spectator safety needs to be more pro-activeThe Cemetery Circuit leads the safety standards in New Zealand for Street Circuits although they would welcome your suggestions backed up with appropriate drawings photographs etc I'm sure
I visited Wanganui in September and discussed an area I thought needed attention with Flea Willacy (event manager) and Cudge Scott (track set up manager) and on the day I noted that they'd implemented changes after they listened to me, I'm sure they'll listen to anyone who can put forward ideas in a direct and structured manner..

I'm off back to bed now...

[Crasherfromwayback]

Maybe the track layout/location needs a rethink....it's way too tight for F1/F2 bikes


RT is correct, spectator safety needs to be more pro-active.

You had some good ideas. This wasn't one of them though.

If you make the track faster (less tight), the track its self and safety for spectators is decreased.

[jasonu]

Originally Posted by scracha
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Have Less classes - won't be popular but something's clearly gotta give.
who then would you suggest?????
Just have 1 longer practise/qualifying session per class instead of 2.that's just stupid and dangerous, how does one evalute their session and look for a different approach either riding style of suspension gearing or other machine changes?????
Faster / more organised start - riders are there the day before and at the crack of dawn so the "virgin" practise should start as soon as local legislation allows.think you'll find it does, there was a glitch when the lead bike didn't start and (some) people on here have laid the blame at the organisers feet cause his bike wouldn't go! which is childish
Faster crash cleanup I too was dissapointed when they pulled up and set up their picnic tables, got out their kegs and had smoko before they even looked at the crashes (obviously injured riders can't be moved quickly) - is there a legal/safety reason crashed/broken bikes can't be just moved behind barrier for a few races. maybe if you opened your eyes you would notice that most of the barriers not only interlink but they have a second row behind them of some description and it simply isn't possible ( and we saw what happened when a hot bike leaned against a haybale... (crashed into it and the exhaust did the rest)
Better PA systemwhat was the issues with this I wasn't in a position to notice? If it was intermittent did people go and notify race control etc or just simply whine about it?
Better rider info prior to event (website or on confirmed entry letter)what didn't they tell you that you A couldn't email them for clarification B ask a fellow competitor?
Pit passes for riders + support crewhow many did they allocate you and what do you think they should have?
Start point needs moved. Maybe nearer the 1st corner or near the pits / bennets bridge...less 1st corner crashes.now you're being sily, it's worked for over 60 meetings and don't forget it's also the finish point
Overnight Scrutineering (obviously beer tokens would be involved).there's plenty of time for the commited rider to get there and scrutineered
Consistency in rider callouts (tricky with last lap crashes).email the crew www.cemeterycircuit.co.nz and offer your services for next year
Proper catch tanks / fairings as per Chopper's suggestion.that's not a problem solely for the Cemetery Circuit Evere heard of a place called the Northwest 200? check out how it went this year
Have scruitineers traverse pits onceand a mobile sandwhich bar, massage girls, anal bleaching just for you too. Anyone who fails/misses scrut's as normal. At least do this for helmet/gear check.
Petition Wanganui council to remove/redisign lamposts opposite corners (how many years has event been going?)it's already been done, they call it Manfeild
Petition Wanganui council to flatten some of the high curbs on corners (see above)ditto
A marshall at the pit entrace to move spectators safely out the way
Maybe the track layout/location needs a rethink....it's way too tight for F1/F2 bikes....perhaps ask "top" riders? you're not going to last till midnight tonight if you're on drugs this early in the day
Could understand separating sidecars on fast circuits like Paeroa but seems pretty daft at Wanganui. Is this an MNZ thing? number 74 out there won the New Zealand Sidecar Championship in 1973, would you seriuosly put a Suzuki TR500 out there in superbikes, again lay off the drugs and FYI it is an MNZ rule and was the result of the investigation of a fatality
Did they ditch superpole?you mean you've got all these pearls of wisdom and you didn't even notice whether they ran it or not????WERE YOU EVEN THERE or are you just a keyboard warrior?
Kick out the drunks/loutsThey had an alcohol limit to the event and police supervision too
RT is correct, spectator safety needs to be more pro-activeThe Cemetery Circuit leads the safety standards in New Zealand for Street Circuits although they would welcome your suggestions backed up with appropriate drawings photographs etc I'm sure....

Well that told you!!!

[Crasherfromwayback]

I'm off back to bed now...

I think you need to take off your rose tinted specs and stop being so protective Spyda.

I've been both a spectator and a competitor for fucking years...and it's starting to lose it's gloss.

Hats off to everyone for actually staging it and giving up their precious time at such an important time. But as they say...if it's worth doing...