Cemetery Circuit Prize Giving

[nadroj]

I was impressed with one recovery crew (Murray Palmer's) especially the quick responce and efficiency I saw. The only suggestion I would make is a quick release on the tipping mechanism of the trailer - something like a trailer drawbar hitch.

[Grumph]

Well I asked for his ideas as to what he thought were the real problems....OK Jelly has slapped you about a bit mate but yes, some - only some of your comments are valid.
I haven't had personal experience of Wanganui for some years but I've been involved in one way or another with almost al the SI street circuits and what you're complaining about has been true of all of them at one time or another. in general, my experience is that organisers don't make the same mistakes two years running provided there's continuity on the organising committee...

The single biggest improvement to the running of a street meeting I've ever seen was when Wyndham introduced a full time pit PA announcer who is able to listen to the official radio...immediate real time updates as to what is happening and WHY....make riders very happy. And a happy rider under less time pressure falls off less....

Practise sessions - at all the SI meets as far as I know one session per class is enough.

Drunks....goes hand in hand with letting spectators into the pits...they want the experience and they're paying for it. Live with it.

[nadroj]

No alchohol should be allowed in the pit area full stop!
The pit area should be manned at the entrance to prevent anyone with alchohol or intoxicated from entering.
Viewing the pit area should be a controlled priviledge rather than a right.

My 2c

[jellywrestler]

I think you need to take off your rose tinted specs and stop being so protective Spyda.

I've been both a spectator and a competitor for fucking years...and it's starting to lose it's gloss.

many of the negative comments are from people who are whingers, people who don't actually look at why there is an issue, and what can be done to improve that issue, given the resources that it will take to do so and the practicalities of doing so.
Classic example is the person who was to lead the Virgins lap bike wouldn't start. That apparantly is the organisers fault. That's simply unfair, as is baggers who weren't even there on the day.

I've been both a spectator and competitor for years too, and some years have been great and some haven't, 2011 isn't one of the great ones but isn't the worst either in my opinion. Like I said it was stinking hot with no breeze, hard work at the best of times for anyone
As for looking at it through rose coloured glasses, we're all guilty of that when somethings close to us yet I always have a chat with the management and point out shortcomings that I see and what can be done to upgrade that.
sometimes they agree sometimes they don't but at least I do it in private rather than blast it across the net.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Classic example is the person who was to lead the Virgins lap bike wouldn't start. That apparantly is the organisers fault. That's simply unfair,


I do it in private rather than blast it across the net.

Well who other than the organisers organised for that cunt to be doing it? And if it took as long as some are saying for the useless twat to start his/her bike...why wasn't the quad rushed into action to speed things up?

And you do too blast things on the net...you're certainly doing it in this thread.

I've gotta say...that in all the street circuit racing I've done, Wanganui is the only place other than the Auckland warf circuit where I've been spoken to like a complete moron. And that was when I was asking what I considered a perfectly obvious question regarding my safety, and the safety of the other people I was racing against. They knew best...piss off was it in a nutshell.

Wanganui is awesome, and is one of the biggest buzzes I've ever had. But if they don't get their shit together, the riders AND the spectators will spend their bucks elsewhere, and it'll disappear. The race is good for the city I'm sure...be a shame if the most read about thing becomes Michael Laws and his latest shag, or whether the 'H' should get lost.

[bucketracer]

Any places for F4 bikes next year? people who have ridden them there tell me they go quite well on that street circuit often besting the bigger bikes.

[yungatart]

Any places for F4 bikes next year? people who have ridden them there tell me they go quite well on that street circuit often besting the bigger bikes.

Silly man, they can't run the classes that they currently say they can in the amount of daylight available just after Summer Solstice.
How on earth do you think they would run more? Chuck 'em in with F1 eh, we'll see if they can best the bigger bikes...

[Deano]

Any places for F4 bikes next year? people who have ridden them there tell me they go quite well on that street circuit often besting the bigger bikes.

2 Ninja 250's (twins) qualified for F3. To be honest I was a bit surprised that they made the 115% cut off, but I haven't checked Mylaps to confirm that they had. I certainly didn't lap them after 6 laps anyway.

Could a hot bucket beat them ?

[jasonu]

2 Ninja 250's (twins) qualified for F3. To be honest I was a bit surprised that they made the 115% cut off, but I haven't checked Mylaps to confirm that they had. I certainly didn't lap them after 6 laps anyway.

Could a hot bucket beat them ?

A well ridden 'luke warm' bucket could probably beat a ninja twin at a tighter track like Wanganui. I have bettered the odd f3 bike at the old Taupo track on my bucket.

[Deano]

A well ridden 'luke warm' bucket could probably beat a ninja twin at a tighter track like Wanganui. I have bettered the odd f3 bike at the old Taupo track on my bucket.

Well, there ya go then !!

[suzuki21]

Given his personal speed he would have smashed the lap record with decent suspension. It was noticable that his rear shock was fading in the RH Memorial race.

He did have decent suspension Robert. We took the aftermarket shock and linkage out and put standard back in as Dan felt the after market gear didnt work so well on the new model R1. At Manfield he dropped 1&1/4 seconds/lap straight away - horses for courses, or maybe he just isnt riding hard enough to require the good stuff.

[Trade_nancy]

Interesting range of comments here - from totally slagging to fully defensive of the 2011 event. As someone who is a spectator only, as well as a biker - I hadn't been to the cemetry circuit for 10 years when I last came with the missus and 3 small kids. we had a great time back then - in the stinking hot sun - a day of non-stop action.
Fast-forward to 2011 - I went back with the missus on the bike for a day out. The Ullyses (spelling?) guys provided good value for money service in the bike store area - although I was a tad offended to be "reprimanded" by the gate keeper on exiting - for not handing over the sticker with my bike number. I had peeled that off my screen and put it in the bin. I was supposed to keep it - so they know what bike number is leaving. But they don't tell you as you enter..or if you do,..u can't hear through your helmet and the noise as they shout instructions at you. I'd suggest pre-printed advice/instructions for each bike owner so we know what you want you to do?
The racing was totally exciting - all classes. Highlights - the fabulous sound of that Aussie Yamaha (V4??) in F1 and the brilliantlly turned out yellow Norton Commando in the Bears - loved the wheelies on every 2nd lap or so. Awesome bike...awesome ride.
Disappointments: we were 5 feet from the mouth of a PA speaker - but could not hear what he was saying 50% of the time; delays between racing as mentioned - yes this was slack when coupled with a less than adequate PA; too much booze being admitted - especially party cans of bourbon/coke etc..accepted as dozen at the gate....caused a lot of vomit and unsightly idiot behaviour; inadequte (no?) attention to refuse/rubbish deposits during the events - allowed to overflow - rubbish like plastic bags blowing around the track; not enough sidecar action - love these guys and was very disappointed with lack of that.
There are causes, reasons, excuses - but - I'd score 2011 a 5/10 vs 10 years ago 8/10. Any event such as this - should not be going backwards in it's event management standards. But let's hope they take onboard the criticism and work on improvements for 2012 which I look forward to.
Thanks to the riders in all classes for giving us both a good buzz.

[denill]

Highlights - the fabulous sound of that Aussie Yamaha (V4??) in F1

Yeah, it sounded like a V4 and yeah, sounded great....................

Google says:
The new R1 takes engine technology from the M1 MotoGP bike with its cross plane crankshaft, the first ever production motorcycle to do so. Crossplane technology puts each connecting rod 90° from the next, with an uneven firing interval of 270°- 180°- 90°- 180°. The idea of this technology is to reduce variations of internal crankshaft speed, thus giving the new R1 a more linear power delivery. Yamaha claims the bike would give the rider 'two engines in one', the low end torque of a twin and the pace of an inline four.

[MSTRS:Me]

The R1, to me, sounds more like a triple. The above google quote omits the term 'big bang' firing order...I understand that to mean that 2 cylinders fire together and the other two with some separation as normal. Seems to work too.

[Robert Taylor]

He did have decent suspension Robert. We took the aftermarket shock and linkage out and put standard back in as Dan felt the after market gear didnt work so well on the new model R1. At Manfield he dropped 1&1/4 seconds/lap straight away - horses for courses, or maybe he just isnt riding hard enough to require the good stuff.

No, you just didnt have anyone suitably trained to set that stuff up for him and / or he wanted to push his own barrow. The bike as it arrived was set up for another rider quite different in weight, style and tyres used so I wouldnt go fooling yourself about lap time difference being down to one single factor. Notably on closed road race courses such a setup struggled during the last NZ champs, especially in terms of stability of performance.
Moreover it was specifically requested by the benefactors that the forks were NOT to be pulled apart, to change stuff in these requires that the chrome tubes are unscrewed from the lower castings to remove / instal sandwich plates. These oem fork castings /tubes are NOT designed to be pulled apart all the time and everytime you do so some fitting tolerance is lost. When you borrow something you respect the express wishes of the benefactors