So they found the cunt, and he's sixteen years old

**JimO** · 2nd March 2012, 21:52

Originally Posted by thecharmed01

Bet he's trying to get back inside to protect his kid.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crim...assault-charge

he hasnt worried about protecting him so far

**thecharmed01** · 2nd March 2012, 23:35

Originally Posted by JimO

he hasnt worried about protecting him so far

Nah but now he's screwed up so bad that everyone knows him and knows his family.... Gotta be worth a few brownie points right hahaha

Ugh, reality is, that the kid didn't stand a chance.
Alcoholic useless 'mother' and a next to useless father.. gang connections.. parents with criminal history.. abuse.. neglect.. sexual abuse.. the list goes on. The scariest part is, really it was never going to be a case of 'will he become an offender' but 'WHEN will he become an offender' and yet no one did anything to prevent it. Not his "family" not CYFS not anyone.
He was always going to offend in some way, and it was always highly likely to be sexually motivated because of his past abuses.
It's just gutting no one bothered to DO anything to help or protect this kid before it was too late, and tried to stop the cycle of violence and abuse BEFORE an innocent little girl had her life (and her families) torn apart!

**placidfemme** · 3rd March 2012, 09:30

Ok this making excuses bullshit has got to me now.

I know 7 people born and raised in NZ, both male and female, all of which come from Alcoholic, druggie and abusive families, some of which have suffered terrible sexual abuse from the age of 3, by Uncles, brothers and fathers, when they trusted me with their histories and told me of the abuse they have been through I literally cried, things I can't imagine and could never in a million years wish on my worst enemy. I've watched them over the last 10 years struggle with this, watched them go through alcohol and drug abuse and pull themselves out it. None of them have abused another being, none of them have blamed their past for the direction their lives headed. They are all amazing people, and they all "know" right from wrong.

This blaming his past and the abuses he has been through is pathetic. It's weak and it's simply an excuse in my book. This little fuck knows right from wrong. By the way you people make excuses for him comes across as a justification. There is no justification for this crime. He deserves more than 10 years and quite frankly in his case I would support the death penalty. He will not be rehabilitated, he will have people all over the show telling him it's not his fault because of his past, he will hold no remorse and in the end because of this he WILL re-offend.

Stop depending the little shit and hold him 100% accountable for his actions.

He is a monster, nothing more and nothing less.

**Number One** · 3rd March 2012, 10:26

Originally Posted by placidfemme

Ok this making excuses bullshit has got to me now.

I know 7 people born and raised in NZ, both male and female, all of which come from Alcoholic, druggie and abusive families, some of which have suffered terrible sexual abuse from the age of 3, by Uncles, brothers and fathers, when they trusted me with their histories and told me of the abuse they have been through I literally cried, things I can't imagine and could never in a million years wish on my worst enemy. I've watched them over the last 10 years struggle with this, watched them go through alcohol and drug abuse and pull themselves out it. None of them have abused another being, none of them have blamed their past for the direction their lives headed. They are all amazing people, and they all "know" right from wrong.

This blaming his past and the abuses he has been through is pathetic. It's weak and it's simply an excuse in my book. This little fuck knows right from wrong. By the way you people make excuses for him comes across as a justification. There is no justification for this crime. He deserves more than 10 years and quite frankly in his case I would support the death penalty. He will not be rehabilitated, he will have people all over the show telling him it's not his fault because of his past, he will hold no remorse and in the end because of this he WILL re-offend.

Stop defending the little shit and hold him 100% accountable for his actions.

He is a monster, nothing more and nothing less.

10 mutha fuckin chars! These people aren't to be underestimated they need to be dealt with swiftly and harshly AND PUBLICLY. End of

Btw I fixed your spelling mistake. They defending him not depending - u r welcome

**Edbear** · 3rd March 2012, 10:51

Originally Posted by Number One

10 mutha fuckin chars! These people aren't to be underestimated they need to be dealt with swiftly and harshly AND PUBLICLY. End of

Btw I fixed your spelling mistake. They defending him not depending - u r welcome

I have seen both outcomes in several families. Two brothers who went through stuff that would kill some people. They both survived but one has turned his life around and is dealing with his issues and turning out to be a hard working asset to the community whereas his brother is a drugged and drunk screwed up individual. We still try to help him but he's burned a few bridges over the years and it may be only when he gets himself into trouble with the law that he may wake up.

Their mother endured a life that makes me amazed she has any sanity left! But she and her 2nd husband are nice people who work hard.

It all depends on the heart of the person.

**Number One** · 3rd March 2012, 10:56

Originally Posted by Edbear

I have seen both outcomes in several families. Two brothers who went through stuff that would kill some people. They both survived but one has turned his life around and is dealing with his issues and turning out to be a hard working asset to the community whereas his brother is a drugged and drunk screwed up individual. We still try to help him but he's burned a few bridges over the years and it may be only when he gets himself into trouble with the law that he may wake up.

Their mother endured a life that makes me amazed she has any sanity left! But she and her 2nd husband are nice people who work hard.

It all depends on the heart of the person.

Im not interested in the 'heart' of a child rapist...

**Edbear** · 3rd March 2012, 11:14

Originally Posted by Number One

Im not interested in the 'heart' of a child rapist...

Please don't misunderstand me. It depends on the heart as to how one turns out having had similar history. Some can turn out good people, some turn out to be monsters. In this case I would think that not even his mother or father would do what he did and probably not amy other family member.

Sure they let him down and are hardly an example for anyone, but it was the boy's choice to do what he did. Understanding does not mean condoning.

**BoristheBiter** · 3rd March 2012, 11:40

Originally Posted by Number One

Im not interested in the 'heart' of a child rapist...

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Number One again.

**Number One** · 3rd March 2012, 11:49

Originally Posted by Edbear

Please don't misunderstand me. It depends on the heart as to how one turns out having had similar history. Some can turn out good people, some turn out to be monsters. In this case I would think that not even his mother or father would do what he did and probably not amy other family member.

Sure they let him down and are hardly an example for anyone, but it was the boy's choice to do what he did. Understanding does not mean condoning.

I understood you perfectly and agree. I don't suggest that all victims turn into animals like this evil sick young man either so don't misunderstand me. I believe that child rapists deserve no allowances, rationalisations, second chances or humanity because they've had it tough. They need to be elinated / kept incarcerated whatever so they aren't ticking time bombs in decent and innocent peoples society.

**JimO** · 3rd March 2012, 11:51

Originally Posted by Number One

Im not interested in the 'heart' of a child rapist...

ok so what if the girl victim in this case grows up to be a murderer??

**Edbear** · 3rd March 2012, 12:01

Originally Posted by JimO

ok so what if the girl victim in this case grows up to be a murderer??

Unlikely with the family she has. I'd be interested in some stats on it though as I am sure we all know personally women who suffered this.

**Number One** · 3rd March 2012, 12:05

Originally Posted by JimO

ok so what if the girl victim in this case grows up to be a murderer??

Neither is 'morally acceptable' and I advocate neither crime.

However her crime would be in retroubution against the individual who hurt her and also he would be and adult. His crime is against and innocent child and involves his abuse of power and control and violence for HIS SEXUAL gratification. To me that's all a deal breaker for having him wandering free and undetected in society!

I wonder whether all those parents of kids who had the convicted child sex abuser working with their wee 5 year olds thinks....

EDIT: Misread your post JimO lol you meant general murderer that's even more straight forward... She's naughty and should be kept away from people if she kills them! Lol if she killed HIM now THAT is interesting!!

**DrunkenMistake** · 3rd March 2012, 16:22

Originally Posted by superman

This is NZ prisons we are talking about, don't believe everything you see in American movies. Especially from a country that imprisons over 1% of its citizens compared to around 0.27% of the NZ adult population being imprisoned.