So they found the cunt, and he's sixteen years old

[onearmedbandit]

Whats perhaps the most sad thing out of this thread, is that fuckall of the posts makes any reference or consideration to the 5 year old girl who was scared, and alone, with a dangerous, vicious, sick offender, and who will probably not have a decent nights sleep for many months without recurring nightmares.

I understand what you are saying, but there wouldn't be one person who has posted in this thread who doesn't have complete compassion towards the little girl, who hasn't considered her well-being. I'm the father of two young girls, one is 5yrs old, and I can't begin to comprehend how the little girl is, how she is coping, what she is thinking.

But, that is not what this thread is about. If you started a thread titled 'How do you think the 5yr old victim is coping?" or whatever, then that's what you'd get.

My opinion on this matter. Just because we humans are of a higher intelligence (despite some obvious flaws), I don't feel that should guarantee everyone the right to exist. If a wolf in a pack attacked another's pups I don't think they would try and 'talk' it out. Yes yes we are not wolves, it's a stupid comparison to make. Or is it? The situation is dealt with immediately, there is no further risk, the other wolves don't have to pay the price of feeding the now contained wolf, and a message is sent to all the other wolves, including those that don't think containment is all that bad. Serious child abusers, either mental, physical or sexually, would in my ideal world have cashed out their right to exist in society. If you want to start picking holes about what constitutes serious child abuse or where do we stop with this cleansing of society, feel free, I'm not offering a complete or even beneficial option, just my thoughts.

[Winston001]

ith!

Educate yourself a bit further. It truely is a sad and real fact of our society that we have this sort of "event", and I believe we are all responsible in part for it. The same goes for any abuse against children.

Here's a couple of places you can get started to really make a difference

http://www.childmatters.org.nz/
http://www.jigsaw.org.nz
http://www.bigbrothersbigsisters.org.nz
http://www.firstfoundation.co.nz


If it matters so much to you then get involved, write to the ministry of justice http://www.justice.govt.nz or your local MP http://www.parliament.nz/en-NZ/AboutParl/GetInvolved/ . There's no point in lifting your frock in indignation in this forum because it won't make a difference. If you do want to make a difference then do something about it.

Bling sent.

I feel sorry for the offender. Imagine what it's like existing within his mind.... it'd be a scary place to be.

Mom isn't saying that you and I are to blame but she is saying that our society shuts its eyes to violent dysfunctional families and then we wonder why their feral children appear among us. There is a suspicious death/murder of a child nearly every week in NZ and countless other serious assaults that the hospitals see.

In spite of my respect for the rule of law (and yes it does work - try South America/Africa/Central Asia for contrast) I think the time has come for special child welfare powers and the suspension of privacy laws. Detect abuse, remove children, prosecute parents.

Its not all bad: think of all the books Ian Wishart could write!!

[Winston001]

The other thing is this type of sexual offender is not your average person. Each of us feels helpless rage against a person whom we imagine to have similar feelings and knows right from wrong.

Far from it. These are sick people. They are not normal and often can't even pretend to be normal when they are young. Many paedophiles were abused as children but there are others who embrace it and see nothing wrong. In their eyes we make up stupid rules. These people have personality disorders and do not understand the way the rest of us behave.

Nevertheless they can be intelligent and cover up well in adulthood which is scary for the rest of us.

I'm struggling to explain myself here. I am not suggesting sympathy or even compassionate understanding for the creeps who are compelled to see children as sexual objects. But you can't think of them as normal people...so normal responses such as anger etc make no difference to them.

Prison and chemical castration is the only answer that we know of.

[mashman]

The other thing is this type of sexual offender is not your average person. Each of us feels helpless rage against a person whom we imagine to have similar feelings and knows right from wrong.

Far from it. These are sick people. They are not normal and often can't even pretend to be normal when they are young. Many paedophiles were abused as children but there are others who embrace it and see nothing wrong. In their eyes we make up stupid rules. These people have personality disorders and do not understand the way the rest of us behave.

Nevertheless they can be intelligent and cover up well in adulthood which is scary for the rest of us.

I'm struggling to explain myself here. I am not suggesting sympathy or even compassionate understanding for the creeps who are compelled to see children as sexual objects. But you can't think of them as normal people...so normal responses such as anger etc make no difference to them.

Prison and chemical castration is the only answer that we know of.

I know for a fact that they can be your best friend through 5+ years of school and turn out to be something you would have NEVER pegged them for.

[avgas]

Sure but it's that same pc brigade that won't allow the chop of the weener's bits.
Bring back (genuine) discipline both at home and in schools (I'm not talking the 'bash').
Consiquences...where has it gone?

It left with honest integrity and morality.

I think they got replaced with a government at some point. You would have to remove them before you can get consequences back. Otherwise it will always be easier to blame everything but the problem.

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http://tinyurl.com/2g9mqh

[Smifffy]

In spite of my respect for the rule of law (and yes it does work - try South America/Africa/Central Asia for contrast) I think the time has come for special child welfare powers and the suspension of privacy laws. Detect abuse, remove children, prosecute parents.

Just so long as it doesn't end up going the way of being over PC in the opposite direction. Like this:

In 2008, Christopher Ratte and his seven-year-old son were attending a Detroit Tigers game together. When Ratte went to the concession stand, he grabbed a beer for himself and a Mike’s Hard Lemonade for his son, unaware that the drink contained 5% alcohol. When a security guard saw Ratte’s son nursing the bottle of the spiked beverage, he immediately took it from him and then rushed the boy to the stadium’s medical clinic. The medical clinic called an ambulance, and the boy was sent to an emergency room. The doctors at the ER found no trace of alcohol in his system and were ready to release the boy to his father.

But the police had other plans. According to procedure, the police were required to turn the child over to the county’s child protective services. Many of the officers hated the fact they had to do it, but rules are rules. County officials put the boy into a foster home for three days even though the case agents didn’t feel it was the right thing to do, but they had to follow procedure. A judge then ruled that the boy could be released from foster care and into his mother’s custody so long as Ratte moved out of the house. Again, the judge was just following the procedure in his ruling. After two long weeks, dad and son were finally reunited.

The police, county workers, and even the judge all agreed that what this family went through because of a dad’s honest mistake wasn’t an execution of justice. But their hands were tied.

[Usarka]

from stuff.co.nz


They are shocked their town (a Mongrel Mob "retirement village" where they believe their cousins occasionally stabbing each other is not that awful) could birth something this dank.

Another local tells us the "perpetrator" of the crime is filthy and disgusting. But in the worst thing to happen today, qualifies it. "Who," she says, "goes to another country and leaves kids on their own?"

[Smifffy]

From the harold

"The boy's father was heard to lay the blame on alcohol."

[tigertim20]

But, that is not what this thread is about. .

and that right there is half the problem. the way we as individuals, and as a society respond to things.
our immediate response is 'I wanna fucking stab the little cunt' - a sentiment I shared myself.
If our natural response to such a thing was 'holy fuck, how can I help the victim, and what can we learn, or take from this that will lessen the chances of it happening again' - we would be much better off.

As it is, it begins with a piss and a rage, we make a side comment about 'the poor victim', and become focused on the anger and disgust we feel towards the victim, that by the time we have managed to qualm our anger, we have resorted simply to typing on a message board how disgusted we are that such a thing has occurred and that the judge is a cunt for slapping the offender with a wet bus ticket.

I ask you though, how many of the people who have responded to this thread have, as a result, gone and actually done something positive, like make a monetary contribution to an organisation that works with victims and or offenders? or get in touch with an organisation to see if you can be of any use offering yourself as a volunteer? - very few, if any is my bet. and that is half the problem, we are so consumed with airing our ill feelings, that we forget to actually do anything to change the things that apparently disgust us so much.

[tigertim20]

I know for a fact that they can be your best friend through 5+ years of school and turn out to be something you would have NEVER pegged them for.

The other thing is this type of sexual offender is not your average person. Each of us feels helpless rage against a person whom we imagine to have similar feelings and knows right from wrong.

Far from it. These are sick people. They are not normal and often can't even pretend to be normal when they are young. f.

there is no defined set of characteristics for those who commit sexual offences against children.
case in point.

Earlier this year I was working out my time in a fixed term contract working with at-risk youth.
the youth were there for a variety of reasons, and were housed in a house (3 youths to a house) with 24/7 supervision.
One young man came in who was 16 years old. the reason he was there was because when he was 14 years old, he has molested his 9 year old sister three times. His sister never told anyone about it, and the only reason it came out, was because the young man had attempted suicide at 16, right before coming into our care (this was the reason for him coming to us).
When I read his file before working with him, I wanted to fucking kill the cunt, but my education and my profession told me that I have to do my best to work with him.

One day while on shift, I went to check on this young man. I found him in his room. He had found a shard of something sharp, and used it to slash his wrists, and he wrote his suicide note on the wall in his own blood.
I was quick acting enough to stop this young man from losing his life, and afterwards I went home, poured a whiskey, and cried like a bitch. I didnt know what to think anymore. my beliefs about the 'type' of person who does such things had been wiped out.

This young man had been eaten away inside, he was disgusted, and angry in himself. He was afraid of the harm he might do to someone else through his actions. He knew what he had done was wrong, yet he had still done it, three times. the confusion and disgust and emotion had nearly killed him. he was genuinely remorseful, and wanted to change, but he didnt know how he could possibly change when he had done things he knew to be wrong in the first place.

I do not expect many of you to give much thought to the offenders, but do not make the mistake of believing the fallacy of a hard and fast persona that distinguishes all 'pedos'.

[Deano]

I ask you though, how many of the people who have responded to this thread have, as a result, gone and actually done something positive, like make a monetary contribution to an organisation that works with victims and or offenders? or get in touch with an organisation to see if you can be of any use offering yourself as a volunteer? - very few, if any is my bet. and that is half the problem, we are so consumed with airing our ill feelings, that we forget to actually do anything to change the things that apparently disgust us so much.

Raising your own kids to be good people should be enough of a contribution really. If everyone did that, would there be a problem ? How far back through the generations do we need to go to find the root cause, or is it all just a smokescreen to the fact that some people choose to be bad.

I was at a crossroads in my early 20's and my life could have gone on a way diifferent tack. Nobody influenced me but myself. I saw what lives 'the crowd' I was hanging with were like and thought that ain't for me. No volunteers or organisation assisted me with my decision.

So far I see that 'society' and 'alcohol' are to blame. No personal responsibility yet again. Pfffft.

Edit - I also struggle with the definition of him being a pedo - what if it was a vulnerable female of similar age to him. I think it is more about power, violence and lust than pedophaelia. (and no respect for fellow beings)

To add further - I have tried to positively influence a few friends or family that could have gone either way in life.

[Brian d marge]

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Stephen

I hope it doesn’t arrive in NZ , I really don’t

[onearmedbandit]

and that right there is half the problem. the way we as individuals, and as a society respond to things.
our immediate response is 'I wanna fucking stab the little cunt' - a sentiment I shared myself.
If our natural response to such a thing was 'holy fuck, how can I help the victim, and what can we learn, or take from this that will lessen the chances of it happening again' - we would be much better off.

How can we help the victim? By cashing out the offenders right to exist. What can we learn? The quicker we wipe these offenders out the less attacks there will be overall. Lessen the chances of this happening again? See my previous statement. Yes we can help the victim by donating money and gifts of support and hugs. Yes we can learn by talking to the victim, their families, and the offender and his. But that's just one method. One method allows for repeat offenders, one doesn't. But our society doesn't allow for the more effective method.

As it is, it begins with a piss and a rage, we make a side comment about 'the poor victim', and become focused on the anger and disgust we feel towards the victim, that by the time we have managed to qualm our anger, we have resorted simply to typing on a message board how disgusted we are that such a thing has occurred and that the judge is a cunt for slapping the offender with a wet bus ticket.

This is, once again, a thread exactly about anger towards the offender. This is just like a conversation in a pub, in a dining room, a workplace, a sportsfield. Just like anywhere, online or otherwise, where people converge and chat. We are allowed to talk about our anger without having to feel guilty about doing so. Maybe that time and energy would be better spent on other more productive pursuits, but you can't stop idle banter.

I ask you though, how many of the people who have responded to this thread have, as a result, gone and actually done something positive, like make a monetary contribution to an organisation that works with victims and or offenders? or get in touch with an organisation to see if you can be of any use offering yourself as a volunteer? - very few, if any is my bet. and that is half the problem, we are so consumed with airing our ill feelings, that we forget to actually do anything to change the things that apparently disgust us so much.

I think Deano best summed it up with this...

Raising your own kids to be good people should be enough of a contribution really. If everyone did that, would there be a problem ? How far back through the generations do we need to go to find the root cause, or is it all just a smokescreen to the fact that some people choose to be bad.

there is no defined set of characteristics for those who commit sexual offences against children.
case in point.

Earlier this year I was working out my time in a fixed term contract working with at-risk youth.
the youth were there for a variety of reasons, and were housed in a house (3 youths to a house) with 24/7 supervision.
One young man came in who was 16 years old. the reason --- [snip] --- He was afraid of the harm he might do to someone else through his actions. He knew what he had done was wrong, yet he had still done it, three times. the confusion and disgust and emotion had nearly killed him. he was genuinely remorseful, and wanted to change, but he didnt know how he could possibly change when he had done things he knew to be wrong in the first place.

This is the difference between you and me. I would've been quite happy to have seen him extinguish himself. Call me harsh, call me callous, call me whatever. But the moment he offended against his 9yr old sister he quite clearly separated himself from the majority of the human race. Blame it on whatever, it doesn't matter, you are not a part of normal society. And yes that normal society includes liars, thieves, murderers even. We've all lied at some stage, we've mostly probably all stolen something that wasn't ours (even office stationary huh), and this thread shows that a good number of us would kill given the right circumstances. But it's a very small segment of society that even considers child abuse, let alone acts it out. These people are not right for whatever reason, cash 'em out.

[Ronin]

I was at a crossroads in my early 20's and my life could have gone on a way diifferent tack. Nobody influenced me but myself. I saw what lives 'the crowd' I was hanging with were like and thought that ain't for me. No volunteers or organisation assisted me with my decision.

So far I see that 'society' and 'alcohol' are to blame. No personal responsibility yet again. Pfffft.

My Father once asked me how I learned to be such a good father. I looked the cunt in the eye and told him I did the opposite of everything he did. So yes, you can change, if you are lucky enough to be self aware and self correcting.