So they found the cunt, and he's sixteen years old

[Ronin]

there is no defined set of characteristics for those who commit sexual offences against children.
case in point.

Earlier this year I was working out my time in a fixed term contract working with at-risk youth.
the youth were there for a variety of reasons, and were housed in a house (3 youths to a house) with 24/7 supervision.
One young man came in who was 16 years old. the reason he was there was because when he was 14 years old, he has molested his 9 year old sister three times. His sister never told anyone about it, and the only reason it came out, was because the young man had attempted suicide at 16, right before coming into our care (this was the reason for him coming to us).
When I read his file before working with him, I wanted to fucking kill the cunt, but my education and my profession told me that I have to do my best to work with him.

One day while on shift, I went to check on this young man. I found him in his room. He had found a shard of something sharp, and used it to slash his wrists, and he wrote his suicide note on the wall in his own blood.
I was quick acting enough to stop this young man from losing his life, and afterwards I went home, poured a whiskey, and cried like a bitch. I didnt know what to think anymore. my beliefs about the 'type' of person who does such things had been wiped out.

This young man had been eaten away inside, he was disgusted, and angry in himself. He was afraid of the harm he might do to someone else through his actions. He knew what he had done was wrong, yet he had still done it, three times. the confusion and disgust and emotion had nearly killed him. he was genuinely remorseful, and wanted to change, but he didnt know how he could possibly change when he had done things he knew to be wrong in the first place.

I do not expect many of you to give much thought to the offenders, but do not make the mistake of believing the fallacy of a hard and fast persona that distinguishes all 'pedos'.

They all have one thing in common. Choice.

[tigertim20]

This is the difference between you and me. I would've been quite happy to have seen him extinguish himself. Call me harsh, call me callous, call me whatever. But the moment he offended against his 9yr old sister he quite clearly separated himself from the majority of the human race. Blame it on whatever, it doesn't matter, you are not a part of normal society. And yes that normal society includes liars, thieves, murderers even. We've all lied at some stage, we've mostly probably all stolen something that wasn't ours (even office stationary huh), and this thread shows that a good number of us would kill given the right circumstances. But it's a very small segment of society that even considers child abuse, let alone acts it out. These people are not right for whatever reason, cash 'em out.

I will firstly say that I am not, even for a moment, defending the actions of anyone who commits a similar act, I just thought that my limited experiences may be useful as food for thought to some, that is all.

secondly;

I understand the sentiment totally.
Half of me would have liked to grab the shard and finish him off.
what does that acheive?
Id have liked to watch him die, but losing my career forever, and probably being criminally charged with negligence causing death isnt going to help anyone either. sometimes you have to swallow desire and do the opposite.
that day will fucking haunt me till the day I die.

this particular individual was so disgusted with himself he WANTED to die, maybe that means he has a chance, but thats another thread altogether and I digress. . .

I agree though that the common theme is choice, and likewise I agree that we all have a right to rage and be pissed off, but if I can encourage ONE person to utilize the energy they expend on rage, on something positive instead, then thats great.

None of us can do a single thing about the offender that fate now lies with the 'legal system'
we CAN however do MANY things for victims, preventative causes, charities and other organisations.

It is, however, your choice to spend your energy and focus as you see fit, and I respect that

[Monie]

its hard to say how i feel ..... sad for the family and pleased he handed him self in.... yep he did it the shit and he should pay . but how do we through him in the cells for what 15 yrs out in 6 then to do it again yep but i think shock treatment would be good to his nuts. and put on meds to stop the urge.....
am sticking my neck out here but i think a bit of it is has to do with all the doo goodies who tell us what is right and wrong on how we bring up our kids yep i do agree we have to stop all the abuse but hay i still think a good hard smack /wack it has not do us/we the old lot no harm ... hell i got the cane at school. these young kids need boundries.... we have a genaration of delinquintes growing up ...
thats how i feel ...

[scumdog]

The same little cunts would also break into peoples cars, but we all know the cops would much rather go after people with a noisy exhaust and lowered suspension.

Don't get caught doing a burnout in your car though, you'll get the car impounded for 28 days on the spot, a big fine and you'll lose your license for 6 months. Fucking bullshit.

Waa-waa-fuckin'-waaah!

Keep on topic and stop jousting at windmills.

(And stop worrying about the penalty for doing a burnout in your car - you haven't got one, remember??)

[scumdog]

Personally, I'd like to see the teen buried alive, but I guess everyone deserves a second chance.

Second chance to do what??
He is a waste of oxygen IMHO.

[scumdog]

I dont know squat about the person arrested for what happened, only that he is 16 and has been raised (I hesitate to say dragged up) without the correct, acceptable values that most of us accept and expect as normal. Not his fault really, he is a product of his environment and culture.

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Sadly Mom, 'somebody' has very likely been 'paid' to bring up this degenerate for the last 16 years - I guess there are no checks and balances in place to confirm the tax-payers money being paid out to this 'somebody' is being used to bring up a child in a positive manner...

[Gone Burger]

We stayed in Turangi the night after this happened and the locals were very unsettled about the offender still being out there. In my motel I made sure the door was locked and the safety chain on the door. I guess something that settled me a little in an area where this twisted individual had played out his sick fantasies. The owner of the motel said herself that she feels the society were partly at fault for something like this ever happening. Yes the 16 year old was in control of the situation and his actions. But who knows what bent environment he has grown up in. No excuses and my thoughts are with that scared young girl and her family. Things like this make you really question what the hell is going on in society and how these situations ever escalate to the point that they do.

After 4 days away on the bike round the North Island I came home to an article in my local paper in Upper Hutt. A man twice convicted of rape was found outside a families sleep out with a young teenage girl sleeping alone inside. No harm was done but his intentions were suspected to be following suit of his proven past. There are some very damaged people out there and the mind boggles at trying to imagine how and why they are like they are.

Sick and sad. It seems to be the world over in so many different areas. Humans can be so disappointing.

[Winston001]

there is no defined set of characteristics for those who commit sexual offences against children.


.....I didnt know what to think anymore. my beliefs about the 'type' of person who does such things had been wiped out.


......do not make the mistake of believing the fallacy of a hard and fast persona that distinguishes all 'pedos'.

Bling sent. I was a bit simplistic and my thoughts were coloured by specific sexual abusers I've dealt with - very few thankfully. Generally those had personality disorders.

But there is no simple test, no obvious clues. Psychosis from being abused as a child is quite different but the puzzle is if something hurt you - why would you want to cause the same pain years later to another child?

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http://tiny.cc/xwrcm

[Smifffy]

From the Cottrell case report:

"The short-statured teenager was supported by several family members, one calling out "mama loves you'', another "take care, boy''."


From the Turangi case:

"His mother shouted to him, "Love you, my son," as he was led from the courtroom."

Really? I might be cynical, but I don't believe that these people even understand what love is. Easy to say in a courtroom, try showing it for the 16 years beforehand.

[tigertim20]

From the Cottrell case report:

"The short-statured teenager was supported by several family members, one calling out "mama loves you'', another "take care, boy''."


From the Turangi case:

"His mother shouted to him, "Love you, my son," as he was led from the courtroom."

Really? I might be cynical, but I don't believe that these people even understand what love is. Easy to say in a courtroom, try showing it for the 16 years beforehand.

you know the family in question, and have personally seen how he has been raised for the last 16 years?
or is the underlined part a baseless assumption?

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.....or is the underlined part a baseless assumption?

http://tinyurl.com/7vbjvmv

[Smifffy]

you know the family in question, and have personally seen how he has been raised for the last 16 years?
or is the underlined part a baseless assumption?

It's an assumption, based on the outcome. Yeah I've judged him, and his family, and I'm comfortable with my judgement. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe you are.

My world would be better if they were either to change or cease to be in it.

If they really loved those kids, the kids would know it, instinctively and unassailably. There would be no need to yell it out in an open court.

Once more my cynical self tends to believe that the affirmation was more for the benefit of the parents and the lookers on, than for the child.

As I posted before, Dad in the Turangi case blames alcohol. What's the bet he's had a few stiff drinks since this all happened?

[Smifffy]

you know the family in question, and have personally seen how he has been raised for the last 16 years?
or is the underlined part a baseless assumption?

Actually, we all know the family, there is at least one in every town, people even write books and make movies about them. I see the parents downtown every day. My wife sees the kids at school. There's not a damn thing we can do about it either.

How many parent teacher interviews do you reckon the parents in either of those cases attended?

How many of the kids school reports have they hung onto?

[tigertim20]

I have people in my Family who were given the very same up bringing as I was.
Me? have a degree, worked professionally with youth, and in youth justice, work hard, etc etc.
brother? - does drugs, has spent 8 out the last 11 years in jail, has NEVER had a job, is currently on home detention, with outstanding community work, on the dole, and regularly smoking drugs. he also has outstanding charges waiting to see a court room.
same parents, same house, same upbringing.

get off your soapbox.