Not.Originally Posted by Crasherfromwayback
however any racer seeing a shadow of doubt regarding the ruling, regardless of his or her level of talent would be happy to go out and argue about it later given the opportunity.
Enjoys doing what he does
Not.
however any racer seeing a shadow of doubt regarding the ruling, regardless of his or her level of talent would be happy to go out and argue about it later given the opportunity.
Fully qualified Sifter.
More than likely. But if MNZ knew what the fuck it was doing, it wouldn't have happened if he was NOT supposed to be out there.
bucket blingster
So how many laps does a rider have to complete to do 65% of a 5 lap race, and clearly it was declared a 5 lap race, so the 15 lap seems to be irrelevant? If 3 laps isnt enough, surely it can't be 4 laps as that would be 80%? I think when Stroud crashed he wouldve covered 65% of the race, he mustve made that extra 5% by then?
Interesting today hearing the words of one of the marshalls and the discussions going over the radios. Yes they let him out because it was Andrew Stroud and yes they didnt want to black flag him either as they didnt want to upset the crowd.
And yes Rhys Holmes did the second half of the race on his 600, again against the rules.
Ta
Fuck yeah. the rule isn't even worded wrong, it is missing a friggin comma.
B.
d. Only those riders who have accomplished at least 65% of the laps
realised by the first rider of the preceding part will be authorised to
restart. Machines may be repaired or replaced.
C. If two thirds of the race distance is completed:
a. This shall be declared a full race. The finishing order shall be at the end
of the lap preceding the stopping of the race. This last sentence should read... "The finishing order shall be at the end of the lap, preceding the stopping of the race".
Fully qualified Sifter.
That's a fucking joke too then.
I remember years ago at the Auckland Street circuit race, they told me they'd black flag me if I kept doing wheelies (on my KX500 FFS) down the front straight. The late Robert Holden was doing them all day, and so I told them it was fine if they wanted to blag flag me, as long as they did the same to Robert.
One rule for all I say.
Ta
The race was stopped after five laps because of a crash, it was then restarted and run to the total number of laps it should have. Stroud had not however completed 65% of the laps that Bugden had completed when the red flag came out.
The rules are actually very clear about this I think, since the controversially worded rule actually only comes into play when a race has completed enough laps, to be declared and points awarded.
bucket blingster
So if the race was stopped and restarted why are points awarded for each half of the race then? By awarding points they have declared it a 5 lap race?
now where's some dirt!
Thats the way it is supposed to be. If they do 3 laps or less its a full restart. If they do 4 or more then it is a 2 part race with half points for each part (even though it might be a bit lopsided 2 parts).
KB Chief Cat Herder
The facts aren't all that clear on this so it's not possible to say definitively at the time if Stroudy should've been out there or not. Therefore you have to err on the side of caution, which is to let the rider onto the grid. So until the red flag restart rules as applies to this situation are properly cleared up he should definitely have been there. Stroudy has every right to argue his case at the time and would be silly not to. Good on him for arguing his way onto the grid.
Protest procedures are there to sort this stuff out because the right decision isn't always made at the side of the track.
Zen wisdom: No matter what happens, somebody will find a way to take it too seriously. - obviously had KB in mind when he came up with that gem
Artificial intelligence is no match for natural stupidity
Ta
I knew someone would say this eventually. And you're wrong.
The decision is that of the dude running the event on the day. If someone wants to protest it, more power to them. It wont do them any good though.
Can no one remember the fuckin bullshit at Wanganui when Bernards boys and Stroud didn't qualify, then got put on the front row in front of the people who did? MNZ didn't give a fuck since it was after the fact, and nothing could be done.
Fully qualified Sifter.
You won't see me arguing that he shouldn't have done so either. What you will see, is me saying how fucked up MNZ is that it can't write rules simple enough, and clear enough to have made Strouds argument redundant. It's simply not good enough in this day and age to be so amateurish. As has been mentioned...there's a lot at stake here, some people have spent/borrowed a shitload of money to race in the class. It's not the beginners class ffs.
If a guy that realistically had a chace of winning/finishing in the top three etc with just a few lucky things going his way didn't have to contend with Stroud being on the track...then he shouldn't have to deal with that. It's now obvious that Stroud shouldn't have been there, as I see he's not been awarded points for the race. So he shouldn't have been out there mixing it wth people.
Shame on MNZ.
Fully qualified Sifter.
With poolicks like Jim Tuckerman still running the show nothing surprises me.
Ta
If Stroud does pack a sad, at least it might get some positive action in the wording of the rules.
That's why I asked if everyone else couldn't protest.
Harrasing towbars since 2007
it sounded awfully like his R1 to me.
Low personal B.M.E.P.
WRONG...it does not need a comma as the meaning is quite clear. Stroud was entitled to restart under appeal. Whether the appeal is upheld is another matter.
Don't quote street circuit precedents as we have already agreed on here that they are entertainment.....and MNZ couldn't give a damm about the results of them because they don't represent an MNZ organised Championship.
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