Idiots overtaking

**Ender EnZed** · 3rd January 2012, 13:27

I certainly wouldn't pass another bike already doing 80mph in a passing lane and the term idiots is probably appropriate for your overtakers. However, given you already knew that a group of bikes had arrived behind you travelling quite fast then it really shouldn't come as a surprise to discover all sorts of stupid shit going on.

Originally Posted by schrodingers cat

I understand your frustration but in life you should focus on the things YOU can control i.e. yourself. What could YOU have done different?

+1

It sounds like this situation could've been avoided by a simple head check. If you knew where they were then you wouldn't have been startled. Alternatively, if it was obvious that they wanted to ride faster than you (and it was) then you could have simply let them pass you before doing your own overtaking.

**James Deuce** · 3rd January 2012, 13:30

Burn them! Burn them all!

**Subike** · 3rd January 2012, 14:08

me thinks the best option in that whole scenario would have been to let the other fellas go first.
you had a pillion, and in my eyes you were not really being responsible for her safety at the time.
Not saying you are a dangerous rider, or an unsafe one, I can not be the judge of that.
I think there were better choices available to you in the given circumstances.
One that put you, your pillion, and the cage drives in a lower risk situation.
The other riders had already displayed the fact they were going to past no matter what.
By the speed of their approach.
Let them go, their choice then does not become your off.

**FJRider** · 3rd January 2012, 15:04

Originally Posted by Subike

me thinks the best option in that whole scenario would have been to let the other fellas go first.
you had a pillion, and in my eyes you were not really being responsible for her safety at the time.
Not saying you are a dangerous rider, or an unsafe one, I can not be the judge of that.
I think there were better choices available to you in the given circumstances.
One that put you, your pillion, and the cage drives in a lower risk situation.
The other riders had already displayed the fact they were going to past no matter what.
By the speed of their approach.
Let them go, their choice then does not become your off.

+ 1 ... I actually find in such circumstances ... passing lanes a quite dangerous place to pass. Those near the front of the queue believing theirs is the "right" to overtake first. Add to the equation ... those with more ability or determination ... it can get crowded at the merge point, with vehicles travelling at speed with little inclination to back off ...

Picking one vehicle at a time ... in quick bursts ... either prior to, or soon after the passing lane ... with fewer vehicles in your immediate vicinity ... safer.

**actungbaby** · 3rd January 2012, 15:18

god dam thats some speed the ton seriously do u have go that fast i can get past at 120kph even uphill
and i only got 1600cc mx5

I always look over my shoulder as i made that mistake in chch many years ago like 25
I was riding my old xl 100 k2 didnt look over shoulder didnt have mirror opps i check in the shed.
Nope no mirros that side got conoe sitting on it at moment.
Yeah went turn right inot look at tommys yamaha st asphes street dude went overtake me moved over the handle bar
scraped side of his car right way along took his chrome do la of .. that shows how long ago was
Gezz gave me hell freight , its that freight and what chould happend got u all fired up
No use hitting anyone already been dusted main thing i didnt come of he was okay .. at time i was like oh man he
Going be so angry with me i knew was my fault. he was like mate... you okay so was all good got call
From him and i paid for new strip on his care End of was alll good , but always look over shoulder after that
Even with Mirror On the good bikes i rode

Originally Posted by Trade_nancy

Had a ride with the wife pillion from Palmy to Bulls and got slowed at Awahuri by a stream of about 6 cages held up behind a tow job...car wityh trailer os similar...doing about 80k. Held behind the tail of the last cage and waited for a spot to pour it on and pass the lot before getting to the Mount Stewart hill. Saw a group of bikes coming up fast in my mirror - within a second one was half-wheeling me on the left (not happy at this point)...and i saw a cop coming the other way. Guess they would have steamed past me otherwise. As soon as the cop was gone I pulled out and passed half the cars and pulled back into a gap for an oncoming. Pulled out again - checked the mirror and the bikes had stayed right back. Got to the slow tow job just at the intersection on the foot of Mount Stewart and the start of the passing lane...so pulled out to pass him...and right there on MY RIGHT was this tosser with his other 2 bikes passing ME as I was passing the vehicle in front. I felt the missus clench up in fear and must admit my own sphincter tightened as well. I was doinmg 80mph (Brit speedo) and they streamed past up the hill doing maybe 100mph. Pulled to the right and turned off onto a side road before the memorial at the top.
I had hoped they were to stop at Sanson, Bulls or somewhere as it was my plan to give the lead rider a solid smack in the side of the head for putting both our lives on the line for the sake of him flexing his tiny penis.
If u know who you are - don't overtake an overtaker. When u are behind - you can see and know you can do it...but you forget - whoever is in front may shit their pants and veer left or right in panic and kill themselves. Aresholes can be on bikes too. Damn.

**actungbaby** · 3rd January 2012, 15:28

Feck mate i just whan alot behind esp when i pass and you know dude behind you make sure both got the room
Other wise you Know you going stand on the brakes to make room where there is none in front you for his car or bike.
And leave room behind so can break if do go past so there slingshot is better and can pull in avoid head on its mazing some
Fools over take more than one vechile in one pass aghhhh , u there thinking shit am i going witness and get wreakage flying past or end up wearing it ..
So most times unless its truck i just stay in slow lane on left lifes to short dude

mind you never taken pillion well only once since crashed inot side car 70kph down moorehouse ave put me of taking Pillions dont want on me to hurt somone esle

Gezz i did dumb thing in my mx5 i thought was in passing lane as was temp conning on state highway was other side the bloody road hell !!!!! in hand cart i was like sorry honey dam pissed at myself in are little car too
Dam fool that was cock up....soon got back into right lane when saw car comming aghhhh

Other time i went overtake in mxer and was in 2nd to get the accertation cut to fine and dam thing hit rev limiter was hold it in gear or change up so held it in gear damm .. was just before corner dum ass take 2 . me
I surpose in 30 years not to bad but only takes one silly split second decsion and your in the pine box brother

Originally Posted by FJRider

+ 1 ... I actually find in such circumstances ... passing lanes a quite dangerous place to pass. Those near the front of the queue believing theirs is the "right" to overtake first. Add to the equation ... those with more ability or determination ... it can get crowded at the merge point, with vehicles travelling at speed with little inclination to back off ...

Picking one vehicle at a time ... in quick bursts ... either prior to, or soon after the passing lane ... with fewer vehicles in your immediate vicinity ... safer.

**Katman** · 3rd January 2012, 15:37

Originally Posted by actungbaby

word

It's a shame that many won't bother to try deciphering your posts.

There's many a word of wisdom in them.

**FJRider** · 3rd January 2012, 15:43

Originally Posted by Katman

It's a shame that many won't bother to try deciphering your posts.

There's many a word of wisdom in them.

I'm just waiting for the English translation ....

**Trade_nancy** · 3rd January 2012, 16:21

Originally Posted by Subike

me thinks the best option in that whole scenario would have been to let the other fellas go first.
you had a pillion, and in my eyes you were not really being responsible for her safety at the time.
Not saying you are a dangerous rider, or an unsafe one, I can not be the judge of that.
I think there were better choices available to you in the given circumstances.
One that put you, your pillion, and the cage drives in a lower risk situation.
The other riders had already displayed the fact they were going to past no matter what.
By the speed of their approach.
Let them go, their choice then does not become your off.

Yep I agree SHAFTY,...but in this case they had boxed me in riding up on my inside - staying right and overtaking was my preferred option at that nano moment of my brain operation...to get way from these guys - but also I needed to pass several cars and had about 75 to 100 metres of straight road ahead. It was a normal low risk overtake,..no oncoming for a good gap. No threat to pillion.
Couldn't pull off to the left = road has no layby at all for about 200 metres where we were.
Head check?? Someone said - well good idea,..when your rightside on a vehicle aleady passing and veering to the left on a left curve. How much can you see coming behind dude? I dunno - may be wrong,..but my limited physics has me thinking you can't see much around a curve. But - did it anyhow - quick though - can't be looking long and hard when you're overtaking anyway,...nothing seen, the guy was behind somewhere - but at that speed he was likely approaching 50 metres behind as i looked, 20 metres as I passed..and he was 20 metres ahead by the time I finished the overtake.
The whole point I was trying to make here was - don't overtake when a rider, car, truck whatever is clear as day trying to finish an overtake in front.
Speeding - so I'm guilty too? yes. But not when I overtook - that's why the overtake was needed...from 50mph to 70mph. Woohoo! Got up to 80 to pull left into lane and dropped back to 70. Sorry - is that unsafe? If i was on a unicycle going downhill maybe. Somebody here may have an issue with pillioned bikes? Think they have less right to be ahead? Must be overtaken!

Nope - I had no issue with their road speed as such,...I can do 100mph...doesn't take skill to twist the throttle eh?
It's been 35 years since I rode track - one day only at Manfield on an RD350. I was no good...and didn't go back.
All this debate about headchecks, mirror checks and so on is great - but when someone is riding to track racing form and expects everything in front to be as responsive as a competition rider - even the most careful slowjo rider with truck mirrors is going to get nailed. Although - I would agree with the comment about Advanced rider courses - everyone would benefit if everyone did one. Still may do that.

Whoever said - check the road code re: overtaking in same lane - suggest you need the refresher..not in road code maybe - more in simple common sense, if you advocate lane sharing during uphill turns while overtaking large vehicles.
Anyway - another day another ride today and no complaints. Traffic to and from Wellington was at snail pace.

**Captain_Salty** · 3rd January 2012, 16:59

I have found some suv drivers to be the worst to get past. Instead of maintaining a constant speed or perhaps keeping to the left, they try and weave through the twisties, crossing white lines on either side and then gunning it on the straights

The worst recently was a guy with his wife and a kid in the back, getting his left rear about 2 feet over the left white line on a right hand bend.

**Trade_nancy** · 3rd January 2012, 17:16

Originally Posted by Captain_Salty

I have found some suv drivers to be the worst to get past. Instead of maintaining a constant speed or perhaps keeping to the left, they try and weave through the twisties, crossing white lines on either side and then gunning it on the straights

The worst recently was a guy with his wife and a kid in the back, getting his left rear about 2 feet over the left white line on a right hand bend.

Horse floats being towed by an SUV....now you're talking "I own the road"...

**FJRider** · 3rd January 2012, 17:21

Originally Posted by Trade_nancy

Horse floats being towed by an SUV....now you're talking "I own the road"...

Lean on the horn and get the horse jumping about ... they pull over then ...

**Subike** · 3rd January 2012, 17:25

Originally Posted by Trade_nancy

Yep I agree SHAFTY,....

after reading this further information, I can see that you were limited in your choice.
not being there, knowing the section of road and other factors,
your frustration seems to be justified.
Is there room for us to learn from your experience?
If it makes us more aware of potential situations in the future
maybe it will assist us to be safer riders ,
Being able to observe similar situations,
remember this discussion,
and act accordingly