Right Thinkers dumber then Left Thinkers

[Oscar]

Of course you can, especially as there are right wingers around the globe... I've yet to see some fundamental factor from the US that can't be seen in any other country. So you're saying that being liberal is a left wing view point?

I'm saying that a North American political study does not translate directly to NZ.
Being called liberal in the US has a whole different meaning than in NZ.

[mashman]

So leaving aside your shortcomings as a citizen, perhaps you could explain your thread title: "Right Thinkers are dumber than Left Thinkers".
Because, having read the Yahoo article that was linked (presumably as support), I can't see where the study proves that Right Thinkers are dumber than Left Thinkers. It asserts that people with low IQ's are more likely to be bigoted and socially conservative (bearing in mind the context of the study in the definition of "socially conservative"), but it does not mention your rather simplistic conclusion regarding the political right and left.

Perhaps the thread topic is more like "Mashman jumps to conclusions and looks silly"

lollies... I've already explained it in post 1. The article speaks for itself, as does the title. They won't come and and say that Right thinkers and dumber than left thinkers it as blatantly as I will, but the language used in the article is comparable to language used in other studies, like smoking may kill you therefore it is a fact that smoking kills whilst ignoring every other airbourne particle that has ever been inhaled by a person or taking into account the origin of the food that they have eaten and the quality of water source... so therefore the document states that right thinkers are dumber than left thinkers... IQ is linked to dumbness... Conservative means right wing thinking ... not such a great leap to right thinkers being dumber than left thinkers.

I can't make it any clearer if you refuse to shed your right wing stand point and start looking at it from a completely different perspective.

[mashman]

I'm saying that a North American political study does not translate directly to NZ.
Being called liberal in the US has a whole different meaning than in NZ.

I'm not mapping Republican to National. That'd be silly. Although policy wise they share more in common than Republicans and Labour. So liberals in the US, not Canada, have left wing leanings?

[Oscar]

lollies... I've already explained it in post 1. The article speaks for itself, as does the title. They won't come and and say that Right thinkers and dumber than left thinkers it as blatantly as I will, but the language used in the article is comparable to language used in other studies, like smoking may kill you therefore it is a fact that smoking kills whilst ignoring every other airbourne particle that has ever been inhaled by a person or taking into account the origin of the food that they have eaten and the quality of water source... so therefore the document states that right thinkers are dumber than left thinkers... IQ is linked to dumbness... Conservative means right wing thinking ... not such a great leap to right thinkers being dumber than left thinkers.

I can't make it any clearer if you refuse to shed your right wing stand point and start looking at it from a completely different perspective.

The article does speak for itself and not only has nothing to do with your post title, it specifically excludes it.

Hodson was quick to note that the despite the link found between low intelligence and social conservatism, the researchers aren't implying that all liberals are brilliant and all conservatives stupid. The research is a study of averages over large groups, he said.

"There are multiple examples of very bright conservatives and not-so-bright liberals, and many examples of very principled conservatives and very intolerant liberals," Hodson said.

It looks like the only silly person here is you.

[Oscar]

I'm not mapping Republican to National. That'd be silly. Although policy wise they share more in common than Republicans and Labour. So liberals in the US, not Canada, have left wing leanings?

You are equating Socially Conservative as used in the study with National.

Not withstanding that, tags like Socially Conservative and Liberal used in the North American context have little or relevance locally.

You're just digging yourself deeper - admit it, you jumped to the wrong conclusion (and the wrong thread title).

[mashman]

The article does speak for itself and not only has nothing to do with your post title, it specifically excludes it.

It looks like the only silly person here is you.

How does this exclude it?

Hodson was quick to note that the despite the link found between low intelligence and social conservatism, the researchers aren't implying that all liberals are brilliant and all conservatives stupid. The research is a study of averages over large groups, he said.

"There are multiple examples of very bright conservatives and not-so-bright liberals, and many examples of very principled conservatives and very intolerant liberals," Hodson said.

Granted it's not what THEY are implying, but they did find a link. Multiple examples could be a grand total of 2 and if they've found a link it's highly unlikely that it's a 50/50 result... otherwise it wouldn't be worth mentioning. That's not excluding it, it's just saying that's not what we were looking for.

[Oscar]

How does this exclude it?



Granted it's not what THEY are implying, but they did find a link. Multiple examples could be a grand total of 2 and if they've found a link it's highly unlikely that it's a 50/50 result... otherwise it wouldn't be worth mentioning. That's not excluding it, it's just saying that's not what we were looking for.

Show me anything in the study that supports your thread title.

[mashman]

You are equating Socially Conservative as used in the study with National.

Not withstanding that, tags like Socially Conservative and Liberal used in the North American context have little or relevance locally.

You're just digging yourself deeper - admit it, you jumped to the wrong conclusion (and the wrong thread title).

The link is easy as Socially Conservative is right wing and everything else is left wing... where the Socially Conservative right wing were found to have a lower IQ and poor conceptual skills. Not digging deeper at all, the article spells it out quite clearly, I don't see why you need to over complicate such a simple concept.

[mashman]

Show me anything in the study that supports your thread title.

Hodson was quick to note that the despite the link found between low intelligence and social conservatism

Social Conservatism, right wing drones, dumber than everyone else, which happens to include left wing thinkers

[Crasherfromwayback]

Hodson was quick to note that the despite the link found between low intelligence and social conservatism, the researchers aren't implying that all liberals are brilliant and all conservatives stupid. The research is a study of averages over large groups, he said.

"There are multiple examples of very bright conservatives and not-so-bright liberals, and many examples of very principled conservatives and very intolerant liberals," Hodson said. "



It looks like the only silly person here is you.

Yeah I've already pointed that bit out to them...but it doesn't seem to compute.

[Oscar]

Social Conservatism, right wing drones, dumber than everyone else, which happens to include left wing thinkers

So you can't have a socially conservative left winger?
Why don't you stick to a subject that you have some knowledge of?
Start a thread about Onanism in Politics...

[mashman]

Yeah I've already pointed that bit out to them...but it doesn't seem to compute.

and as has already been pointed out

Hodson was quick to note that the despite the link found between low intelligence and social conservatism

... implied or not, there is a link, something that doesn't compute as a concept with the righty crowd... primarily because they feel the need to put it into context with the following:

"There are multiple examples of very bright conservatives and not-so-bright liberals, and many examples of very principled conservatives and very intolerant liberals," Hodson said. "

... yes there are exceptions, but the two findings above are highlighted as separate observations, which does not negate the link that the righty crowd are trying so hard to ignore, as is witnessed by:

, the researchers aren't implying that all liberals are brilliant and all conservatives stupid. The research is a study of averages over large groups, he said.

Put it all together: Righty's are dumb fucks.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Put it all together: Righty's are dumb fucks.

What was that you said to Oscar about lowering yourself to personal insults? And something to me earlier about denial?

You're chasing your tail. And as I said earlier...if you compare yourself to others, you'll forever be disappointed. There will always be someone around far smarter than yourself to put you in your place, just as there is always someone better than you at any given thing you choose to claim to be good at.

[mashman]

What was that you said to Oscar about lowering yourself to personal insults? And something to me earlier about denial?

You're chasing your tail. And as I said earlier...if you compare yourself to others, you'll forever be disappointed. There will always be someone around far smarter than yourself to put you in your place, just as there is always someone better than you at any given thing you choose to claim to be good at.

I was generalising in both cases and not being specific to any individual

Not at all, I see multiple result sets, the righty's seem to be taking the out clause given by the scientists, classic right denial of findings. As for the rest, perhaps I'll find someone better some day.

[scissorhands]

Evolutionary strengths come in all shapes and sizes, smarts is one, instincts are another

Highly sensitive sensing organs like on a rabbit, may be ideal for avoiding predators, and speed and strength or instincts ideal on another

As domesticated man evolves, less emphasis on strength and more on smarts may emerge, and although middle ground balance will always remain the ideal, the balance point may shift a little due to ability to earn money with smarts