Crafar Farms?

[mashman]

Has someone been telling porky pies or just received some bad advice?

[oneofsix]

Has someone been telling porky pies or just received some bad advice?

Somebodies a pig farmer but you knew that already. Still it will make for several posts next election as each side tried blaming the other.

[dipshit]

Unfortunately this sale does show a tendancy to ingrained racism, whether we want to admit it or not.

No-one worried too much when Shania Twain bought a property which is bigger than all the Crafar Farms put together.

Or no one minded when this deal went through... http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/farm...ys-Otago-farms

[oneofsix]

Or no one minded when this deal went through... http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/farm...ys-Otago-farms

What you guys really mean is the media didn't beat it up or you didn't get upset with the people who did want. There was quite a bit of complain when Shania bought high country and some special conditions were slipped on her but of course there was also quite a bit of starry eyed as well.
I don't agree with selling off our country to fucktards what don't live here and I don't care who they are or how famous they are. If they don't live here they don't give a shit about those that do so they don't desire to own any of it.

[puddytat]

The answer to the question whether we can buy land in China is NO.
You can set up a business but a company can not own the land it sits on. Very few if any Chinese own land, the "people" do. But in saying that, in many lands where they have always lived under the village model where they has always been a village there, the land has no title issued which makes it easier in todays climate to simply uproot the village when said communal lands are required by the State & or private companies ....has happened & is happening still all through out China & India....no title, no rights to it.

[oldrider]

If they don't live here they don't give a shit about those that do so they don't desire to own any of it.

Do you know this for a fact?

[puddytat]

Or no one minded when this deal went through... http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/farm...ys-Otago-farms

Or when in one month "zee Germans" purchased 7500ha of farmland in the mainland

[dipshit]

Or when in one month "zee Germans" purchased 7500ha of farmland in the mainland

Germans, Americans, etc are white people that look like us white europeans... so all's ok.

[Winston001]

Germans, Americans, etc are white people that look like us white europeans... so all's ok.

Yeap thats about it. The noise about the Chinese is xenophobia.

[Winston001]

....the Central Plains Water Scheme ...

Wasnt it not to long ago ,that the Govt. admitted that the money made from asset sales would be going into CPW scheme. So "we" are effectively subsidising private individuals & corporates to milk the country to the tune of mega bucks. Fucking nepotism I reckon.

I didn't like the govt removing ECAN and appointing Commissioners. I suspect they thought ECAN were making irrigation consents too uncertain on a landscape where water increases pasture dramatically. NZ urgently needs more production, here is a province which can provide it, so the govt (wrongly) tried to make things easier by getting rid of the arguing democratically elected councillors.

The Canterbury of today is nothing like when I were a lad - green plains in all directions. It used to be empty stoney acres-to-the-sheep. IMHO the green is not natural and not a good thing. It will not last.

Anyway your point above about a subsidy probably won't be the case. What will happen is the govt will buy a share in Central Plains Water and get dividends into the future.

Has someone been telling porky pies or just received some bad advice?

Typical politicians smearing reality. David Parker should know better.

The correct position is that if a bid to buy land is approved by the Overseas Investment Office, then the Minister of Lands has to have a bloody good reason to refuse it. Being Chinese isn't one of them.

Furthermore because of the Free Trade Agreement with China we treat China as a favoured nation so if NZ wants to keep its international credibility, the Minister has to have an extremely bloody good reason to refuse such a sale. Same if it were Aussies buying the land under CER.

Of course Parker et al conveniently overlook existing sales to Harvard University. Did we hear any complaint from Labour about that? And tens of thousands of hectares were sold to foreigners under Labour.

[Winston001]

There was quite a bit of complaint when Shania Twain bought high country and some special conditions were slipped on her but of course there was also quite a bit of starry eyed as well.

I don't agree with selling off our country to fucktards what don't live here and I don't care who they are or how famous they are. If they don't live here they don't give a shit about those that do so they don't desire to own any of it.

I took a keen interest in the purchase of Mototapu Station by Shania Twain and Mutt Lange because I have a family connection to that land. As I recall there were 18-23 conditions imposed by the OIO including creating a public walking track from Macetown to Wanaka, which has been completed.

On this particular occasion the sale has turned out well for NZ. We all know Shania Twain but the driving force was/is her husband Mutt Lange. They have now separated and I don't know if she owns any of the land these days.

Meanwhile Mutt has also bought Glencoe Station and Mount Soho Station which gives him a vast remote high country farm. The thing is this guy loves the land and is doing what he can to preserve it. He's spent millions on fencing off the high stuff for protection and one of his aims was to return the stations to being run from horseback.

I've talked to people who work for him and he calls them from anywhere in the world checking on how the farm is getting on. Sheep, fodder crops, new tracks, broom and wilding pine control etc.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/southland-tim...t-to-pine-cull

His stewardship is quite different to what we imagine rape and pillage foreigners are expected to do.

[puddytat]

Of course Parker et al conveniently overlook existing sales to Harvard University. Did we hear any complaint from Labour about that? And tens of thousands of hectares were sold to foreigners under Labour.

God, arnt they all a pack of hypocritical two faced tossers

And meanwhile negotiations are going on secretly on the Trans Pacific Partnership which will effect generations to come in NZ because they are "commercially sensitive". So we have absolutely no idea of what we are being signed up for & which benefit large corporates who will pay no tax here....

[avgas]

They should see if any of the debt owing on the farms is lodged with SCF.........

[mashman]

Typical politicians smearing reality. David Parker should know better.

The correct position is that if a bid to buy land is approved by the Overseas Investment Office, then the Minister of Lands has to have a bloody good reason to refuse it. Being Chinese isn't one of them.

I agree that it would be xenophobic if they were saying no just because they were Chinese and it would be a serious political error to be seen to be that openly racist. I haven't seen anything that backs that up. If Labour are defending their position because National have misinterpreted supposed Labour trade agreement clauses to justify the sale, then I see it as Labour defending their position and setting National straight. Of course there's an element of smearing in there, they're hardly likely to be constructive in their criticism are they? After all they're politicians.

[Brian d marge]

I think there is more important things to worry about , like how much your electricity bill will be going up by;

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