NZ govt V OZ govt

[Indiana_Jones]

Been there done that hold on last time we were just part of NSW. Oh well any how all it takes is a vote on the part of NZ but do you think you could get the numbers?

It'd get my vote

-Indy

[mashman]

Been there done that hold on last time we were just part of NSW. Oh well any how all it takes is a vote on the part of NZ but do you think you could get the numbers? Where would we go for holidays then?

It'd be a long way to go to protest about ACC too.

[Oscar]

You seem to be confused between investment and ownership. Oh and you seem to forget it was Aus that had the white Australia policy so I guess they would be classed as white.

I haven't confused anything - investment is investment, be it owning shares or land.
The irony of the argument over the Crafar farms is that the Farmers who are complaining about Chinese purchase of NZ land belong to a Co-operative that owns farm land all over the globe.

[Swoop]

Hopefully one day NZ will become the 7th state of Aus

As a shooter, you should consider that statement very carefully...

[Indiana_Jones]

As a shooter, you should consider that statement very carefully...

Now it's funny you mention that, I have over the last few years considered this while looking at moving to Aus.

I don't want to give up my firearms, but if it's the only way I can provide a better life for myself and future kids then so be it.

-Indy

[Big Dave]

and did they have criminal records here before they created one in Aus

Yeah - that's the rhub - they did, but they didn't disclose and the feds didn't search.

[Oscar]

Yeah - that's the rhub - they did, but they didn't disclose and the feds didn't search.

I didn't know it was to still required for entry....

[Big Dave]

Its a big issue over there

http://www.firb.gov.au/content/default.asp

The size of the local oligarchies is more of an issue in the resources sector.

[Big Dave]

I didn't know it was to still required for entry....

Thank you Oscar Kightley.

[Winston001]

I believe the Maldivens want to buy land for when their islands disappear under the water too... Do the Oz land buyouts have any local buyers? the short google search didn't tell me that. How many NZ's can you fit into Oz? I don't believe that selling your land is a good idea where it produces most of your income... especially when you don't have lots of it to start with.

Aw come-on man, I gave you a direct link. You ask valid questions but if you want to be taken seriously, please do a little research.

Ok. The buyers in Australia are Qatar, China, Brazil, Japan, Britain, etc etc. Why they bother puzzles me because Oz is mostly desert and approaching a fresh water crisis. Ironic given the floods they have had but water for farming is becoming scarce.

The Oz commentators are envious that NZ has introduced controls on farmland ownership. A clip from the site I linked to.


"Because the sale of agricultural land in Australia is exempt under Foreign Investment Review Board (FIRB) regulations, there is rarely much attention given to the overseas purchases of farmland unless the purchase of assets exceeds the $231 million threshold.

This means that there is no central source of data on just who owns what farmland — and what country they represent."

[Winston001]

While we are on the subject, NZers own substantial chunks of Uruguayan dairy farm land. Should that be allowed?

Saudi Arabia and Bahrain long-term lease thousands of hectares in Ethiopia to grow food to ship back to the Middle East. Ethiopia. One of the poorest countries in the world. With a population of 80 million and famine. There is a situation where you really have to ask yourself if this is morally right?

China and India are leasing/buying swathes of good agricultural land across Africa and they make no bones about it: they are aiming to feed their own nations in the years to come.

Here is a good article from The Economist on the subject: http://www.economist.com/node/13692889

Don't get me wrong. I'm not comfortable about the Crafar sale and believe there is a serious issue to be discussed. The investment just announced by the NZ Superannuation Fund in NZ Dairy Farms is exactly what we should be doing for ourselves. I'm not convinced by the introduction of new capital argument. There is a lot of money in NZ and we could invest our own capital without depending upon overseas interests.

[Big Dave]

They can't even agree if they should record it.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nati...-1225899238669

[Ocean1]

NZ apples are nicer than the North (Aus) island's - Tassie's are on par. Climate. I'd like to see them imported. PAcific Rose - Yummmm.

Apparently it's extremely unlikely that fireblight would be dissiminated by the import of fruit from affected countries for direct sale. Infection in Aus is far more likely from the use of imported material used in the industry itself.

You can get some of the extremely valuable NZ developed varieties in Aus because they bought NZ rootstock...

[mashman]

Aw come-on man, I gave you a direct link. You ask valid questions but if you want to be taken seriously, please do a little research.

Ok. The buyers in Australia are Qatar, China, Brazil, Japan, Britain, etc etc. Why they bother puzzles me because Oz is mostly desert and approaching a fresh water crisis. Ironic given the floods they have had but water for farming is becoming scarce.

The Oz commentators are envious that NZ has introduced controls on farmland ownership. A clip from the site I linked to.


"Because the sale of agricultural land in Australia is exempt under Foreign Investment Review Board (FIRB) regulations, there is rarely much attention given to the overseas purchases of farmland unless the purchase of assets exceeds the $231 million threshold.

This means that there is no central source of data on just who owns what farmland — and what country they represent."

By all means don't take me seriously, that won't concern me in the slightest as all I can do is raise concerns... add me to your ignore list or just skip my posts.

I did have a look to see if some of the now foreign owned farms had had local competition (granted only 3, so yes, I have assumed that the were smooth sales) and there wasn't any in those cases. As your linky highlights, perhaps there is no immediate need because the govt hasn't been tracking the sales as they have land to burn, or taking the sales seriously enough to understand potential future impacts, let alone to search for local investment to prevent an overseas sale. But in our case eyebrows have been raised as to why the local guys didn't get the gig. Oh coz one or two of them are wankers really doesn't cut it if they do right by the land. Short term yes they will have lost a few million, these days that's chump change, but the future considerations could then turn to how they would treat the land, not to what will happen should food suddenly become scarce.

I too have a hard time understanding why China doesn't have enough grass for cows to graze in order to produce food. So I'm there with you when you ask why. A few reasons spring to mind, but none that I can prove and I know you like your proof. One of them is that there is oil in the rock (saw a doco years ago, although expensive to get). One of them is the creation of money for economies (the land never cost us a cent so it's 100% profit). Who prints China's? I doubt they are beholden to the same money source as we are. Who knows what the real reason is, is could be as simple as having assets. But I'd be interested to know if China/US would defend their land.