World lacks enough food, fuel as population soars

[Winston001]

Its funny I had a conversation about this with a mate recently....

I simply stated they weren't poor enough. His look was shocked.

"What do you bloody mean not poor enough! Haven't you seen the starving in Africa!"

"Yes, but if you were starving in your own country.....why would you stay?"

LOL but I have to disagree with you. The world is pretty much full up. Certainly there are places - such as New Zealand - which have good soils and plenty of room but the Third World can't get to them. Try walking from Ethiopia to Australia.

Even if they could, you'll note the Aussie navy is busy full-time capturing refugee ships and stopping people doing exactly what you want them to do. There are even boats headed for NZ

And people do vote with their feet - hundreds of thousands have flooded out of Somlia into Kenya. The poor Kenyans aren't a lot better off and can't cope. For the starving of the world there aren't lands of milk and honey next door that they can walk to.

On top of that there are soldiers on borders and minefields. Armed men routinely attack villages and refugees all over the world. Consider Darfur and the Congo. Oh, and Ivory Coast.

[ducatilover]

But you don't see Russians or Taiwanese people committing anywhere near as many terrorist acts as the Muslims, or do you? What about the other races? I haven't seen South Americans or Chinese people do that kind of thing.

And I have no problems with Buddhists, it's a very peaceful religion which doesn't breed hate like Islam. They don't go around blowing innocent people up with improvised explosives, and they don't start wars or violent revolutions. They even embrace the swastika symbol.

Not so much the bombings...but they still hold the record for mass killing don't they?

Russians bomb themselves often enough anyway
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/security/k...-accident/8015

[Winston001]

Maybe I should've kept it simpler & just made a poll out of it......

Real simple , 2 questions along the lines that kids can get e.g

Question :Can we fix it ?
A: Yes we can.
B: Nah, its fucked.

B: Nah, its fucked.

Sorry mate, great topic which concerns me but my conclusion is we cannot stop population growth and collapse.

No biological organism on this planet controls its own numbers. Exponential growth is a rule of nature.

Humans are no different.

I'll give you three examples:

1. Mesopotamia, the cradle of civilisation developed cities and agriculture over 1500 years and then virtually disappeared over 150 years. They ran out of resources.

2. The Mayan civilisation flourished until they overcrowded their region and collapsed in 100 years.

3. Easter Island. This is the poster child for societal demise. It is a perfect example of the problem you raise Puddytat. A community living on a remote island, good soil, plenty of seafood, trees etc the population just kept getting bigger. They were so wealthy in resources that these people had the time and energy to sculpt the massive Moai found on Easter Island.

Then they hit the wall. No more trees, declining food, too many people. The population simply died leaving a few starving survivors which is the condition they were in when discovered by European sailors.


If you think of the Earth as an island with a finite supply of the necessities of life then we face the same collapse as Easter Island. The rich/prudent/lucky people will survive but most will not. Sad but inevitable.

[avgas]

Would they pass immigration standards in any "civilised" country?

Is the problem food shortage or immigration standards then?

Simply growing more food and distributing it to the poor is like offering this guy a bandaid

[avgas]

LOL but I have to disagree with you......Try walking from Ethiopia to Australia.

Google "Aborigine"

Been done before. Suspect will happen again. Of course the whole world will have to collapse first if people don't understand why people aren't moving.

It only takes a small glimpse at looking at illegal immigration into places like Kenya, France, South Africa, India, China........to see the starting of this is already happening (as you mentioned).

So will extra food fix the problem? Or is the problem something else (as I hinted before), such as immigration. If so, do we wait for the world to collapse before fixing it?

I can't wait to see how much "ANTI-IMMIGRATION" stuff now gets thrown by people calmer than SMOKEU. But fact of the matter if you want to fix the world you have to let it in. Or leave is broken.

Giving them food is and has always been a bandaid solution. Which is why COMPANIES and ORGANIZATIONS pay their workers very well for doing it. Its a cash cow due to stupid people who keep paying.

[NighthawkNZ:Me]

news.yahoo.com/world-lacks-enough-food-fuel-population-soars-un-151012418.html

So what are we going to do about it.

They have been saying that for the last 100 years... ???

World will be out of food by 1900, then, 1910, 1920, 1950, 1966, 1975, 1984, 1999, 2000, 2003, 2005, 1010, 2012, 2020, 2030, 2035, 2050...

World will be out of oil by 1950, 1966, 1975, 1984, 1999, 2000, 2003, 2005, 1010, 2012, 2020, 2030, 2035, 2050...

[oneofsix]

They have been saying that for the last 100 years... ???

World will be out of food by 1900, then, 1910, 1920, 1950, 1966, 1975, 1984, 1999, 2000, 2003, 2005, 1010, 2012, 2020, 2030, 2035, 2050...

World will be out of oil by 1950, 1966, 1975, 1984, 1999, 2000, 2003, 2005, 1010, 2012, 2020, 2030, 2035, 2050...

Yeah been hearing it all my life. It get stale after the first 50 years. Most of the shortages are still caused by organised, as opposed to personal, greed. Lots of these places could feed themselves if it wasn't for wars or corporation tying up resources. Find Blue Water Wars if you want to see what is happening around water resources and corporate control. I don't believe all of Bluw Water Wars but even if only 10% is true then the sooner the capitalist system collapse under its own weight the better.

[SpankMe]

Each female gets to give birth twice, then forced sterilization, or we'll never have enough energy.

http://physics.ucsd.edu/do-the-math/...-scale-energy/

[SMOKEU]

They have been saying that for the last 100 years... ???

World will be out of food by 1900, then, 1910, 1920, 1950, 1966, 1975, 1984, 1999, 2000, 2003, 2005, 1010, 2012, 2020, 2030, 2035, 2050...

World will be out of oil by 1950, 1966, 1975, 1984, 1999, 2000, 2003, 2005, 1010, 2012, 2020, 2030, 2035, 2050...

The world will never, ever, ever run out of oil. Or food.

[Winston001]

They have been saying that for the last 100 years... ???

World will be out of food by 1900, then, 1910, 1920, 1950, 1966, 1975, 1984, 1999, 2000, 2003, 2005, 1010, 2012, 2020, 2030, 2035, 2050...

World will be out of oil by 1950, 1966, 1975, 1984, 1999, 2000, 2003, 2005, 1010, 2012, 2020, 2030, 2035, 2050...

Yeah you are right. Thomas Robert Malthus (1766-1834) was the first thinker to draw attention to this in his Essay on the Principle of Population. Malthusian theory has been debated ever since but the core principle of a human population limit is not disputed. We just do not know where to draw the line.

I think its 2 billion. Others say 15 billion. Certainly we could feed 15 but the quality of life would not be anything like we have today.

Anyway, nature will draw the line for us. In the meantime set your kids up as best you can to protect them and their children et seq.

[GingerMidget]

But you don't see Russians or Taiwanese people committing anywhere near as many terrorist acts as the Muslims, or do you? What about the other races? I haven't seen South Americans or Chinese people do that kind of thing.

And I have no problems with Buddhists, it's a very peaceful religion which doesn't breed hate like Islam. They don't go around blowing innocent people up with improvised explosives, and they don't start wars or violent revolutions. They even embrace the swastika symbol.

Embrace the swastika? Are you kidding me? are you really as ignorant as your previous statement implies? Wait. Don't answer that. The 'swastika' is orignally a hindu symbol, and was adopted by the nazis a few hundred years later, and due to their atrocities that is all people tend to recognise it for.

You give examples, I'll play your game.

South america. Drug cartels.
China. One child policy, men opressing women and should they accidently get pregnant again, well its off to the abortion house for you love.
Russia. Heard of the KGB? The rest of the world has.

[george formby]

Another take on things. http://www.economist.com/node/21533364

Their was a precis of this theory in the Herald not to long ago.

[Oblivion]

The 3rd world countries that we have now will remain just that. 3rd world countries. No amount of aid will solve it. Because everyone in this world seems to think that they have an entitlement to be better than everyone else.

Muslims, Women are oppressed beyond belief. You can get killed and you killer could get away from it if you so happen to refuse marriage.
And that's just an example.

Take all the shit that is happening in Syria. The government is slaughtering its own citizens to stop the uprising and most of us are sitting here thinking why hasn't anyone been in their and helped them? Because there is no money to be made in helping them. So according to NATO, why bother.

However, when Libya went through the same scenario, government slaughtering its people, NATO jumped in faster than a speeding bullet. Why? Oil. Libya has more oil than it knows what to do with. Of course NATO wants a crack at all that Oil, to increase the size of their wallets from a 10XL to a 24XL.

The Bush administration had financial investments in Oil.

The world is screwed because no one has the right mind to solve it. Its always the me first attitude that gets the gold.

Politicians nowadays have to go through training, and learning how to be a politician. You can say to your neighbour John " Hey John, your a bloody good bloke, down to earth too. Want to have a go at running for parliament?" It just doesn't happen. The people that we expect to solve all the stuff that is happening right now are too busy eating candy, and denying it when they have chocolate round their mouth, and are just helping themselves to the charity money down the road.

The world is gonna go haywire in the next 10 years and its either going to start from the Eurozone collapsing, or the US defaulting on their debt.

[mashman]

Is the problem food shortage or immigration standards then?

Simply growing more food and distributing it to the poor is like offering this guy a bandaid

Education. Immigration is just a way to legally shift people about and keep the "undesirable" out of ones back yard... ironic much . In itself it has nothing to do with anything really. Whereas $$$ and purposefully doing things to keep people down is a feckin huge problem and is THE problem imho. I'm not saying there's a magic wand to suddenly make things right, but changing things substantially would remove a lot of the worlds corruption and may well give people in Africa a chance. After all that's the worlds major fuck up. We pay millions for little see through rocks where those who dig them out are slaves to their watchers who benefit by getting technology and weapons in return. Utterly ridiculous

I agree with you there. I'd like to see us do things on purpose but in a way that helps as many people out as possible, not just those who consider themselves civilised and therefore more worthy of a place on the planet. The whole thing is a con.

And if

Anyway, nature will draw the line for us. In the meantime set your kids up as best you can to protect them and their children et seq.

rolling over and playing dead is the prevailing attitude amongst the intelligentsia then it's hardly surprising that nothing has ever been done. I'm not saying we won't run out of resources and die out, but I'd prefer having a crack at giving things a go than burying my head in the sand and deciding that the only person you can save is yourself and your family. That'll change pretty bloody quickly and it won't matter how you've set your kids up unless you've bought them an underground bunker decked out with a garden large enough to provide everything you need year in year out. And they say I have rose tinted specs.

[Ocean1]

Will you whining hungry fuckers for chrisake keep the noise to a dull roar?

You're beginning to annoy those of us who plan to live forever.




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