My little rant.

[MSTRS:Me]

And you are not? My opinion is that at this time you should keep your OPINIONS to yourself. How dare you sit there fingerpointing and making noises after what some of these people went through yesterday ( and are still going through) . What gives you the right to do that, trampling all over others feelings. You should be ashamed of yourself.

Well said. Glad you are not my mother!

[TwoSeven]

two seven --all fine and wonderfull being a critique. A lot of people seem exceptionally good at just that. What are YOU doing to prevent this happening???
Have you joined a club??
Have you started rider training courses?
Have you run a basic mechanical training course or perhaps a first aid course.
An old phrase comes to mind -If you aren't part of the soluyion then you are part of the problem

1) Yes - on and off.

2) Yes (although its more along the lines of I'll show you somethings you can practice). I'm currently trying to figure out a way of getting an english instructors license. I was half way thru going about it when I left the UK.

3) No - i'm not a mechanic, but I do help when I can (usually tires/suspension) and although not a trained medical instructor - I do have the odd cert. hanging around from previous jobs where its been required and have extensive practice is scraping up whats left of poor sap bikers who found their posing didnt work the hard way (hence my concern about folks that end up receiving the rough end of a shafting).

Dude - read the first post. This thread was intended to encourage people to take their heads out of their asses and continue to WORK AT thinking about health and saftey. I - to be honest - have never seen a post from you about how to do that for people on the track (while i've been a member of this forum) - but I have seen some other good posts you've made.

So while you may find it easier to bash me for sayng I think kiwis need to buck their ideas up - perhaps YOU could set an example by makeing a few posts on how they could do this.

[FROSTY:Me]

My involvement in the sport is not an issue
However you have had a rant -as I previously posted why not step up to the plate and offer practical solutions

[Marknz]

This is fast turning into a "my dick is bigger than your dick contest"

I know I didn't start this thread, but how about you two discuss this by PM or email?

[TwoSeven]

Not really - someone just missed the point of the original post and seems to want to spout on about how great he is. He hasnt quite realised that lots of people do lots of things in their own way - instead he gives the impression that if they dont devote all their time to doing things to his standards they are obviously not good enough.

Sooner or later it will dawn on him that the thread was about encouraging people to spend time thinking about ways and means of teaching people about health and safety - not ego bashing which I think he and a few others seem more concerned at. They do say 'tall poppy syndrome' is endemic here - seems to me a pretty good demo of it.

Shame, that people have to get injured while others boost their own egos.

[marty]

I know I didn't start this thread, but how about you two discuss this by PM or email?

no don't - this is fun!

[Kickaha]

If you read the original post properly, you'll have noted that it wasnt about any particular event (cept'n for para 3), or even road racing in general - its just my observance of the local mindset on health and safety. I posted it in the racing forum because I want people invovled in that sport to raise there awareness of these issues.

The people who are involved in the sport are aware of the issues and always will be, some choose to become more involved than others and the accident that happened will make all clubs recheck their procedures and no doubt other procedures will be put in place to prevent a reoccurance of this incident, unfortunate as it may be sometimes it take a disaster to change peoples mindset or realise there may be a contingency they haven't planned for

Actually the reason I stay away from you is because I think you are dangerous from my observances and I personally dont like you. But thats my personal opinion which until now I have kept to my self and has nothing to do with this thread.

So i'm dangerous from your observances? from someone with such an interest on health and safety then why haven't you had a word with me about my conduct or to the relevant officials? I'd be quite interested in why you consider me dangerous as I'm always looking to improve, as for not liking me I'm fucking heartbroken

From the sport I meant motorcycling in general although if you open your eyes a bit more - i'm often out at the local track - just not around you

I actually have a good memory for faces and stand by what I said about the amount of events you attend as I spend a large part of my time wandering around the pits and associated areas

I do actually spend a large amount of time 'trying' to get safety stuff implented, both when I see dodgy stuff at the tracks, on the road and by my posts in this forum (my original post here is a classic example of that). But quite often I get some 'dumb fuck' such as your self who is too anal to take what I am saying on board, takes offense to it and shoves their head in the sand. You old chap - are demonstrating the steriotype of the typical type of person I made the original post about. You need to learn to think about what this post is about, not what your personal agenda is - certainly abusing people wont get your far.

Perhaps you can point out where I'm abusing people? I'm not the one calling people "dumb fucks" or telling them they're "anal" because they don't agree with me nor am I the one "pushing any personal agenda"

I've yet to see any evidence of you spending large amounts of time trying to get safety stuff implemented, although I'm quite willing to pass your name on to the current committee so you can pass on your experience in health and safety matters, I have put considerable thought in to what the post is about and while you raise some valid points I can't see that you've done much to put in place mechanisims to fix the percieved problems

The rest of your post is just you being a self indulgent anal retentive.

And yours isn't?

Selective memory is it (although I wouldnt wish anyone to be in that situation - so sorry about that.)

And I will add two incidents at cemetry that I was in attendance of and that I personally witnessed. So that makes 4 in the last 7 months

You're talking fatalitys? in the last seven months? I think you might have got that wrong,the incident I was involved in had nothing to do with the way the event was run or the procedures in place

I know NZ has funny rules but to put this post back into a motorcycling thread. If any marshal puts up a red flag on a circuit, then all other marshalls should automatically do it. They should either be in sight of all the other marshalls or constant radio contact. There is really no excuse for one person holding up a red and everyone else doing yellows. Yellow does not mean stop racing immediately and leave the track by the first available exit as soon as possible. Yellow (waved or stationary) is an indicator that generally means to riders - go bloomin fast, dont pass and look out for hazards on the track.

When a red flag is up, marshalls at the track exits should be indicating to riders to leave by those exits. They shouldnt allow riders to carry on round the track (unless there is no exit).

I was always tought to use a red flag if there is an 'obstruction' on the track (that includes injurys, or riders having to clear the track, or debris that cant be removed without risking injury), or when there is an accident that places people in a dangerous position (such as people having to go onto the track to give aid). In otherwords, dont allow the race to continue if someone is at risk of getting hurt.

Ok, thats not going to stop the first corner pile up or equivilent situations, but it would certainly help to avoid future potentially serious situations which is the whole point in health and safety.

Tell us what the funny rules are and if it makes sense we'll get them changed, perhaps it is time some of our rules were examined and updated as the way you were taught to use a red flag makes more sense than having everyone come to a halt, as the current rule states "when the red flag has been displayed riders must immediately stop racing and return to the gird"
it would make more sense to have them return to the dummy grid so the track is clear

I dont hold with the argument where someone says its not possible to plan for every thing that could go wrong because they are busy. There are dozens of people planning many similar events in this country and hundreds if not thousands of people around the world doing it - local clubs have been in it for years on end and there is ample opportunity for continuous improvement (some cubs have been in it for decades). For someone to turn round and say it isnt possible after all this time and effort- is really kind of taking the piss.

I don't think I said at any time it wasn't possible, but as with anything time money and available personel will come into it how effective any safety program will be and how effectively it is implemented and a lot of clubs are stretched trying to get enough people to help them out now, feel free to continue the personal abuse to try and get your point across though

[White trash]

Hey Kick', you're not dangerous, you're fuckin' Dangerous....







Fuck I'm funny

[k14]

Hey Kick', you're not dangerous, you're fuckin' Dangerous....

I got to agree with you there, yesterday down at levels i was fearing for my life when he passed me, thats why i let him win, was too scared at what he would do to stop me winning

[Kickaha]

Hey Kick', you're not dangerous, you're fuckin' Dangerous....

Fuck I'm funny

nah you've got me confused with someone else perhaps some other GSXR1000 riding homo as that seems to be Dangerous current bike of choice

[Kickaha]

I got to agree with you there, yesterday down at levels i was fearing for my life when he passed me, thats why i let him win, was too scared at what he would do to stop me winning

What like run you off the track like that other guy did? good story but more likely your own incompetence

[White trash]

I got to agree with you there, yesterday down at levels i was fearing for my life when he passed me, thats why i let him win, was too scared at what he would do to stop me winning

Think you might wanna re-read my post young fellah.........