Waitangi Day

[Katman]

You must understand that your ancestors were guests on Maori land, as are you today.

I'm not a guest anywhere.

This is as much my land as anyone else's.

[mashman]

I'm not a guest anywhere.

This is as much my land as anyone else's.

Westerners 0 - Maori 2

[Delerium]

Why would anyone work for less money that they will earn on the dole? There's a massive amount of the population that work for buttons, working more than 1 job to make ends meet and they are berated for not trying harder and suckling at the govt teat. Pretty pathetic really. My 2 cents, it's a lack of empathy for those who are down at the bottom of the pile and the decisions that they choose to make. Work for next to fuck all or sit on my couch and do what I can with the assistance I get. There also seems to be a lack of want to adhere to the legal obligation that each and every non-Maori are entitled to by law. You have a population that are doing the hard yards so that our money is worth what it is worth in that full-employment = hyperinflation and I've seen no evidence to persuade me otherwise. Those at the bottom are doing you a favour by keeping your money at the value it currently is and I highly doubt that they're all Maori or Pacifika. Pay your rent to the Maori as per your contractual obligation and STFU.

In other news, John Key was seen to

Good one!!!!!! The antagonistic attitude will get you real far!!!! Winner!!!!!

Pay the rent? Ok fine, pay for the technology, greater life expectancy and improvements to the land.

Fact is you can't have it both ways. Wrongs were done by both sides of the fence, as were rights. Your attitude sucks. Its funny how you cant see how blindly racist YOU are.

[mashman]

Good one!!!!!! The antagonistic attitude will get you real far!!!! Winner!!!!!

Pay the rent? Ok fine, pay for the technology, greater life expectancy and improvements to the land.

Fact is you can't have it both ways. Wrongs were done by both sides of the fence, as were rights. Your attitude sucks. Its funny how you cant see how blindly racist YOU are.

About the only way to get an honest answer it seems.

as I've mentioned before the western world would have traded with the Maori at some point bringing the technology, life expectancy and improvements to the land etc... the way things were back then it was a case of an adult swindling a child. I accept that it has happened and that being the case so have Maori, but they have a contract with the crown that should be adhered to. It would seem that you're all crying foul because Maori have some power and it should be left to whitey. Apart from the racist side of things the generalisations of where Maori would have been today if they had told whitey to fuck off back then are way off the mark imho. Talk about burying ones head in the sand.

You can have it both ways, you can't if you decide to choose sides. I wave my private parts in your direction @ blindly racist.

[SMOKEU]

Yeah because of course that doesn't happen in any other culture

We all know the Maoris are in general significantly more likely to commit crime in NZ than non Maori. Just look at how many of them are in jail.

You must understand that your ancestors were guests on Maori land, as are you today. I merely have a modicum of respect for that, which I find more palatable than your one eyed entitlement complex.

We are not guests on Maori land. The Maori came here and killed and ate the Moriori, then they claimed that they were ripped off by cheeky whitey because they want to take advantage of white people by playing the race card at every available opportunity. They don't deserve any more fucking rights than the rest of us, and if they don't like it, they can fuck off back into the bush where they can live in a stone age society without any modern European technology.

All they do is demand more and more from the white people and they give nothing back in return. They think that everyone owes them something and are unwilling to accept responsibility for their actions. Out of all the Maori I've ever met, only about 5 of them are actually civilized, intelligent people who I would trust.

[TrentNz]

what would the Maoris do without having a dryer to put their children in?

[ducatilover]

So that means it's OK for women to get drunk when they're pregnant, and for people to beat their children up, steal, assault random people on the streets, tag peoples fences, develop a gambling addiction, rape chicks, and all the rest that goes with Maori culture. Don't forget that they were the ones running round killing and eating one another before European settlers came to NZ. Maybe you'll be the meat in their next hangi.

I hear England, Britain etc were places of peace, equality and high living standards back when they all paddled over here.
No crime, poverty or rampant illness.


I am also tall and muscular.

I like to believe that the vast majority of New Zealanders just want to get on with life in peace and harmony and see the Treaty as nothing other than a vehicle that a minority use to tear the country apart.

That makes two of us.
Only another few million to convince

[Pussy]

That makes two of us.
Only another few million to convince

Make that three!
When I worked in the engineering trade a few years ago, there were lots of Poms and Glaswegians working on the same sites as me.
After seeing their blatant "the world owes me everything" attitudes, I'm not the least bit surprised that the ship building (as also a lot of other) industries went tits up.
You can only pull a rabbit out of a hat if you put one in to it first.
There is fuck all inequality in this country. There are fucken heaps of people of all ethnicities who need to get off their fat arses and make something of themselves.
I am the first to reach in to my pocket to give someone a hand up... but anyone who thinks they will willingly get a hand out from me can kiss my arse.

[SMOKEU]

I hear England, Britain etc were places of peace, equality and high living standards back when they all paddled over here.
No crime, poverty or rampant illness.

I don't think there were any civilizations like that a few hundred years ago. The rest of us have moved on.

[DMNTD:Me]

You must understand that your ancestors were guests on Maori land, as are you today...

So surely that means that the Maori people are still guests too because fuck knows they most certainly were not the first People to inhabit New Zealand.

[ducatilover]

I don't think there were any civilizations like that a few hundred years ago. The rest of us have moved on.

The Moari aren't like that either.
The media seems to be doing a good job of making it look like it.
A minority group making a name for themselves.
Same with "boy-racers".
I am a small white guy, walked through the Palmerston North square today where there were a huge amount of people of Maori descent, I didn't see anyone die, or any crime and I'm alive.



On a side note, how many do you think have near, or more than half blood?
I've met a handful of true half blooded Maori, the rest just have Maori blood...It's like claiming that I'm French...

[mashman]

So surely that means that the Maori people are still guests too because fuck knows they most certainly were not the first People to inhabit New Zealand.

From the conversations I've had with Maori and Pacifika, that's how they see it, they belong to the land and not vice versa. I can only guess that the reason they persist with the land being theirs, is because if the land isn't "owned" then whitey will claim if for himself... then who's going to protect the land/water?

[mashman]

We are not guests on Maori land. The Maori came here and killed and ate the Moriori, then they claimed that they were ripped off by cheeky whitey because they want to take advantage of white people by playing the race card at every available opportunity. They don't deserve any more fucking rights than the rest of us, and if they don't like it, they can fuck off back into the bush where they can live in a stone age society without any modern European technology.

All they do is demand more and more from the white people and they give nothing back in return. They think that everyone owes them something and are unwilling to accept responsibility for their actions. Out of all the Maori I've ever met, only about 5 of them are actually civilized, intelligent people who I would trust.

... anyone got anything knew other than the black man is bad because he wants what the treaty entitles him too and it's so unfair because I'm white.

[ducatilover]

... anyone got anything knew other than the black man is bad because he wants what the treaty entitles him too and it's so unfair because I'm white.

Yup legalise pot.

[Katman]

We should become a republic and consign the crown and the treaty to history.