Waitangi Day

[superman]

Yeah, well now you just sound young and stupid so I'm outa here.

I am surprised, being that I am a young man and you claim I sound young...

Though I guess it's always best to leave with an insult, bit of a bite before running with the tail between the legs is a good way to assert some kind of ego-driven dominance. There there you haggard old man.

[Mungatoke Mad]

From the conversations I've had with Maori and Pacifika, that's how they see it, they belong to the land and not vice versa. I can only guess that the reason they persist with the land being theirs, is because if the land isn't "owned" then whitey will claim if for himself... then who's going to protect the land/water?

conversations ? Check ya fact's first the word Maori only came to be after after the arrival of Pakeha before that there was only IWI & the only law was the law of Conquest winner takes all/thats how tribes aquiered land worldwide/ /.Ime sure the dirty Pommey bastards butt fucked a couple of the Maori and Pacifika you have your conversations with but the Majority dont have that same bad Rash on there Butts.

[DMNTD:Me]

Because your experience is equal to all cases that are put before the courts in this country?

So you're saying the reason a white guy gets paid more in a particular job than a black guy is because the white guy is more hard working not because NZ society is biased into rewarding white men more than other groups?... Whatever makes you sleep better at night, still makes you stupid.

First off, I've yet to see a black Maori,plenty of brown though.
I've experienced enough of NZ's Justice system to know, how about you?

Re white people getting paid more in the same position...I call bullshit (unless they have been there longer in which case it works both ways).

And the last part...lol fuck off ya queer cunt.

[scissorhands]

Just get everyone arguing then sneak in and clean up the cash

is anybody in?


Then have pussy lefties come in preaching love and acceptance so we can all have the guilts for being human and hating our neighbour.

[Berries]

At least the rest of the world now understands the day better - NZ twats abroad.

Oh look mummy, another haka.

[BoristheBiter]

I am surprised, being that I am a young man and you claim I sound young...

Though I guess it's always best to leave with an insult, bit of a bite before running with the tail between the legs is a good way to assert some kind of ego-driven dominance. There there you haggard old man.

So if the Maori are so underprivileged then how do you explain all those that are highly educated and have succeeded in NZ?

[superman]

So if the Maori are so underprivileged then how do you explain all those that are highly educated and have succeeded in NZ?

How do you explain all the white dip shits who have fucked up their lives...

Individuality still creates outliers, people who fight hard enough can overcome any societal barrier, and just as easily people can be lazy enough that even when given everything they amount to nothing.

[Katman]

How do you explain all the white dip shits who have fucked up their lives...

Individuality still creates outliers, people who fight hard enough can overcome any societal barrier, and just as easily people can be lazy enough that even when given everything they amount to nothing.

Yep, that's pretty much what I was saying.

[scissorhands]

Thats when autism and Maori comes into the picture!

IE: early British colonial immigrants to New Zealand were probably more autistic than average. leaving behind an unhappy dysfunctional family in old blighty (England) and desiring a new start in a new land. Many puritanical Scottish Presbyterians came here, especially to the south island.
Burt Munroe the worlds fastest indian... he lived in a shed on his own for 30 years and began travelling to Bonneville USA late in life from the age of 60yrs old!! However, many autistic 1850's immigrants found it difficult to marry here (mostly men anyway) and Maori women considered marrying a white male a step up, also many Maori men were killed in fighting, and Maori women were plentiful. White immigrants autism was probably difficult to discern for Maori women, as is the case presently with Euro guys and Asian wives. The bigger picture around this is that Canada, Australia etc..... prolly had the same scenario...
The major downside of all this is that todays ethnic offspring have disorders inherited by previous generations interbreeding with white people running away from autistic families in Europe...

Since full bloods no longer exist, when one judges ethnic cultures on their failings, consider autism from white interbreeding............


......time to duck methinks......
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[bogan]

Just another way out there thought (and pretty on topic this time), but what if there is more to life than money and qualifications? What if the maori culture simply give these less importance than pakehas do. Would kind of fuck over the whole pakeha education advantages and maori laziness arguments wouldn't it

[Katman]

Just another way out there thought (and pretty on topic this time), but what if there is more to life than money and qualifications? What if the maori culture simply give these less importance than pakehas do. Would kind of fuck over the whole pakeha education advantages and maori laziness arguments wouldn't it

Yeah, it would just leave the over-representation in crime needing explanation.

[bogan]

Yeah, it would just leave the over-representation in crime needing explanation.

Perhaps those wanted to swap cultures, but not having the education, to take part in the materialism, they resort to theft instead.

[Katman]

Perhaps those wanted to swap cultures, but not having the education, to take part in the materialism, they resort to theft instead.

So they don't want their cake but they want to eat it too?

How does that work then?

[bogan]

So they don't want their cake but they want to eat it too?

Exactly, the point I'm making is that it is not some genetic predisposition that they all have. Just an option that a small percentage, but relatively large number (compared to other ethnicities) of them decide to take. Of course those who decide to take such an option, if identified, should be high fived, in the face, with a lawn chair, preferable of stout wooden construction.

[Paul in NZ]

While I’m not so old I was actually alive back then and accepting that all history is subjective to the recorders stance - In the very (very) early days of settlement in NZ Maori saw huge advantage in having Europeans here and encouraged them as much as possible. It gave access to materials, weapons and knowledge that they didn’t have and early schools set up by missionaries were eagerly attended.

Now without getting peoples backs up. Then Maori were dealing from a position of relative wealth (land). Lots of this land was sold and lots was taken illegally (it’s a fact and it didn’t all happen in the 1800’s either) and eventually they were weaker from a land ownership point of view. During this time Maori were progressively a lot less keen on education.

Its easy to say that’s all ancient history but it does have to be understood to frame the current issue. In my opinion though its not the only issue. For instance my family is not rich or particularly endowed with vast land holdings but we are all reasonably well educated. In a modern industrialised nation land wealth isn’t probably as important as it once was. Certainly the current educational system offers Maori significant advantage in the way of places on courses and reduced entry qualification (last one might be a grave error though as drop out rates are high)

From what I’ve seen now there is not one clear, addressable reason why Maori are disadvantaged or are not as well qualified now other than a cultural one. The point is that culture of resisting education is relatively recent – its NOT a traditional one going back thousands of years.

The biggest issue for Maori shouldn’t be the treaty or asset sales but rather poverty (emotional and financial) and until Maori leadership start leading their people instead of exploiting them for their own gain they are screwed. Waitangi Day is a great opportunity for Maori leadership to showcase the cause but they keep blowing it by living old dreams and allowing trivial protest to destract the media from the real issues....