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    Quote Originally Posted by SMOKEU View Post
    2. There aren't enough jobs available for everyone. How do you plan on ensuring that there are enough jobs for every person who wants to work?
    well duh, emply them on the minsitry of works, post office and railways like we used to. And the local council. .
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    Quote Originally Posted by MSTRS View Post
    And just how far back does your NZ bloodline have to go?
    You just have to be a NZ citizen. We are all immigrants, as long as your choosing the greatest county in the world as yours why should you not get a say??? NZ residents however will be unable to vote they still choose another country as theirs & simply reside here. It is the equivalent of renters vs owners if you will
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scuba_Steve View Post
    I did mention I'd pretty much need control to go forth with my plans, no current politician is going to give up their perks or live in flats by choice and they definitely will not effectively give up power without a fight as my system will see happen.

    As for making everyone happy, I never planed to. My whole idea is to just sort NZ out followed by handing it back to the people it belongs
    So post your CV up SS and we'll see if you've got what it takes to run the place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scuba_Steve View Post
    I did mention I'd pretty much need control to go forth with my plans, no current politician is going to give up their perks or live in flats by choice and they definitely will not effectively give up power without a fight as my system will see happen.

    As for making everyone happy, I never planed to. My whole idea is to just sort NZ out followed by handing it back to the people it belongs
    Mmm, did you, I can't see where you're talking about a fight, if the people support the party then there'd be no fight, it'd be a clean sweep..

    Yeah, so you want to sort NZ out your way - don't we all.. see that's where the divide starts, right there. A lot of politicians believe they are doing what's right for NZ, just like you would - believe it or not..

    What if some of the people are not interested in your ideas, because they perceive the world differently to you.

    Then there's the cultural differences, and so, you have to have representatives of the many different people.

    ...hang-on, isn't that a bit like MP's? Do we end up in exactly the same position, or not?
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    Lower the voting age to 14 ... it's their future too
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zedder View Post
    So post your CV up SS and we'll see if you've got what it takes to run the place.
    Would do you no good, I'm not a banker, I don't rape people on the stock exchange or with investments, I'm not a lawyer or a doctor. I am simply a worker & I'd expect to get through with my policy & my policy alone.

    Quote Originally Posted by Genestho View Post
    Yeah, so you want to sort NZ out your way - don't we all.. see that's where the divide starts, right there. A lot of politicians believe they are doing what's right for NZ, just like you would - believe it or not..

    What if some of the people are not interested in your ideas, because they perceive the world differently to you.

    Then there's the cultural differences, and so, you have to have representatives of the many different people.

    ...hang-on, isn't that a bit like MP's? Do we end up in exactly the same position, or not?
    Only difference is I'd be handing NZ back to it's people, not holding onto power or dictating as current
    1st year would be my changes. Some will be popular, some misunderstood, & maybee some hated but what I've listed is where I'm headed. I won't be surprising anyone or pushing things through under "emergency" and all details will be openly released.
    2nd year I'd be implementing my system to hand the country over, while giving people time to get used to my changes to see if they really had issues with my change or just change itself
    3rd year the country would be handed over to NZ, and if there are any changes I previously made the majority are not happy with they will then have the power to reverse or change to something NZ is happy with. As with any law henceforth. Politicians will be powerless, nothing more than figureheads there to represent NZ not control it

    Quote Originally Posted by mashman View Post
    Lower the voting age to 14 ... it's their future too
    no I think 18 is fine, but hey when power is handed over feel free to try for a lower voting age
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    How are you going to generate the revenue to pay every person the minimum wage for 40 hrs per week and to be able to afford everything that they need and WANT?

    Is there going to be enough money to pay off NZ's debt?

    What happens to those who decide that they don't want to work?

    Do you plan to close all tax loopholes?

    How are you going to combat inflation?

    How are you going to stop the cost of living spiralling?

    How are you going to fight off the WTO when they demand that you open your doors to competition?

    How are people going to pay for their EQC levies/home insurance?

    What are you going to do about alcohol and its affect on society?

    What will be your policies re Drugs/Tobacco/fatty foods etc...?

    And my fave: Who decides on the "reward" associated with any given job?

    Probably a few more questions rattling around upstairs somewhere
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scuba_Steve View Post
    Would do you no good, I'm not a banker, I don't rape people on the stock exchange or with investments, I'm not a lawyer or a doctor. I am simply a worker & I'd expect to get through with my policy & my policy alone.

    Plenty of other worker people have a CV Scube not just lawyers etc. Surely under your potential total democratic regime we, the people, have a right to disclosure?

    Only difference is I'd be handing NZ back to it's people, not holding onto power or dictating as current
    1st year would be my changes. Some will be popular, some misunderstood, & maybee some hated but what I've listed is where I'm headed. I won't be surprising anyone or pushing things through under "emergency" and all details will be openly released.
    2nd year I'd be implementing my system to hand the country over, while giving people time to get used to my changes to see if they really had issues with my change or just change itself
    3rd year the country would be handed over to NZ, and if there are any changes I previously made the majority are not happy with they will then have the power to reverse or change to something NZ is happy with. As with any law henceforth. Politicians will be powerless, nothing more than figureheads there to represent NZ not control it

    But who gives you the right to arbitrarily set it up in the first place?

    no I think 18 is fine, but hey when power is handed over feel free to try for a lower voting age
    Maybe compromise with 16 years old then?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mashman View Post
    How are you going to generate the revenue to pay every person the minimum wage for 40 hrs per week and to be able to afford everything that they need and WANT?
    I'm not paying everyone minimum wage 40hrs a week only, those that work for the community. The drip feed nationwide "dole" will provide minimum (& I mean minimum) to live. You work you get more ("luxury" or wants)

    Quote Originally Posted by mashman View Post
    Is there going to be enough money to pay off NZ's debt?
    Yea there will be HEAVY cuts in spending (not in needed services) info will come from the bottom up, cuts will come top down.

    Quote Originally Posted by mashman View Post
    What happens to those who decide that they don't want to work?
    This might still have to be worked on, but effectively nothing. They just won't have a very pleasurable life

    Quote Originally Posted by mashman View Post
    Do you plan to close all tax loopholes?
    I'll have to get help with that one but yes, I'll try & have everyone pay their fair share. But also the tax will be more transparent I want everyone to know what they are funding & why it's important

    Quote Originally Posted by mashman View Post
    How are you going to combat inflation?
    open the valve . like with tax loopholes I'll need help there. So, work in progress

    Quote Originally Posted by mashman View Post
    How are you going to stop the cost of living spiralling?
    By not raising the minimum wage for starters, also as I said the main infrastructure will be Govt owned & only covering costs (not profits), so this should also help keep costs down

    Quote Originally Posted by mashman View Post
    How are you going to fight off the WTO when they demand that you open your doors to competition?
    Leave Team America (sorry) the U.N. but what would not be open to competition? anything that should be, would be

    Quote Originally Posted by mashman View Post
    How are people going to pay for their EQC levies/home insurance?
    with money, or most probably 1's & 0's pretty much like now

    Quote Originally Posted by mashman View Post
    What are you going to do about alcohol and its affect on society?
    well the alcohol I'll drink , society I hope to change. It's our "anti" attitude to booze that causes alot of the problems, people need to grow up with it learn to respect it, cause as it stands now people are like fucking kids in the candy store when they turn 18. As for drunks, there will however always be drunks & there is very little anyone can do about this, but I'd rather have them drinking themselves into depression with booze than with the meths or petrol they're currently being financially pushed to (plus the rest of us want to be able to afford meths again & without the residues, it's useful stuff)

    Quote Originally Posted by mashman View Post
    What will be your policies re Drugs/Tobacco/fatty foods etc...?
    weed will be legalized & taxed the shit out of like fags, the tax will then go directly to health care (no slush fund) fatty foods is user choice I intend to do nothing except stop the "health crazies" trying to force everyone their way there is nothing solid supporting their claims (link is light hearted any health crazies needn't get too worked up)

    Quote Originally Posted by mashman View Post
    And my fave: Who decides on the "reward" associated with any given job?
    You talking SOE CEO's??? why not the public???

    Quote Originally Posted by mashman View Post
    Probably a few more questions rattling around upstairs somewhere
    we'll happy to try & answer any more you think of
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    So basically, your setting it up to give the Maori's everything... jog on daft cunt they get too much as it is.

    Cant be having fuckwits running the country.

    Someone please move this to the joke and humor section.


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    we'll happy to try & answer any more you think of [/QUOTE]

    Ya didn't answer mine though (maybe because I stuck two of them in your previous text by accicdent) typical bloody politician!

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    Quote Originally Posted by TrentNz View Post
    So basically, your setting it up to give the Maori's everything... jog on daft cunt they get too much as it is.

    Cant be having fuckwits running the country.

    Someone please move this to the joke and humor section.

    I have no idea where da fuck your getting that from??? might be a little confused there fella

    Quote Originally Posted by Zedder View Post
    Ya didn't answer mine though (maybe because I stuck two of them in your previous text by accicdent) typical bloody politician!
    your right I didn't notice it quoted but I'm not a politician yet, still deciding on that.
    CV's of no importance it has no relevant bearing on any attempt to run for parliament if I choose to do so, but if I choose to run & your still obsessed with my CV then I may release it.
    Who gives me the right? the people (if voted in) & unlike asset sales my changes are reversible upon the people taking control if they so wish.
    and I'll stay with 18 it's a good age & working so far, tho 16 probably wouldn't be a bad age to go might be worth considering think I'd let NZ decide that when I hand power over tho.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scuba_Steve
    I'm not paying everyone minimum wage 40hrs a week only, those that work for the community. The drip feed nationwide "dole" will provide minimum (& I mean minimum) to live. You work you get more ("luxury" or wants). This might still have to be worked on, but effectively nothing. They just won't have a very pleasurable life

    I'll try & have everyone pay their fair share

    By not raising the minimum wage for starters, also as I said the main infrastructure will be Govt owned & only covering costs (not profits), so this should also help keep costs down

    Leave Team America (sorry) the U.N. but what would not be open to competition? anything that should be, would be

    why not the public???
    So if you can't get a job that's tough shit? and if everyone does decide to get a job, how will you deal with hyperinflation?

    What's a fair share in regards to taxation? Will you keep a similar taxation system to the one we currently have?

    As the market will set the price for anything not owned by the "govt" how will you stop price increases based on company's deciding that people have more disposable income? In regards to Infrastructure, does that mean the "govt" will employ the most of the builders/tradesmen in NZ? If so how will you pay for them?

    How would you counteract any sanctions that the UN and/or the WTO impose on NZ? Not saying they will, but I can't see them lying down for that one.

    It'd be fun watching the public decide how much someone gets paid and for some reason I don't think many people will be earning more than minimum wage What will you do to stop people heading off overseas?

    Who will be responsible for the amount of $ available in the country? Who will be responsible for "printing" our money?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zedder View Post
    Maybe compromise with 16 years old then?
    I'd settle for that
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    you said something about giving the country back to the original people blah blah blah

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