Considering a party

[Zedder]

I have no idea where da fuck your getting that from??? might be a little confused there fella

I'm with SS on that one.

your right I didn't notice it quoted but I'm not a politician yet, still deciding on that.
CV's of no importance it has no relevant bearing on any attempt to run for parliament if I choose to do so, but if I choose to run & your still obsessed with my CV then I may release it.
Who gives me the right? the people (if voted in) & unlike asset sales my changes are reversible upon the people taking control if they so wish.
and I'll stay with 18 it's a good age & working so far, tho 16 probably wouldn't be a bad age to go might be worth considering think I'd let NZ decide that when I hand power over tho.

I'm only semi-serious Scube, you've got a lot of guts posting this on KB.

[Swoop]

The 3-stike system would be upgraded, upon the 3rd strike real penalties will be imposed. 5-finger discount, castration, total loss of all possessions etc to match the crime

Where is the return of the town hall stocks?
Minor offences = into the stocks for some public humiliation & rotten fruit.

Lower the voting age to 14 ... it's their future too

Don't be bloody idiotic.

[mashman]

Don't be bloody idiotic.

They haven't been "corrupted" at that point in their life and will likely cast the more "honest" votes... much more preferential than the bunch of fools that currently "vote". They may like what SS has to offer.

[Zedder]

Where is the return of the town hall stocks?
Minor offences = into the stocks for some public humiliation & rotten fruit.

Don't be bloody idiotic.

I'm all for the return of the stocks and not just for minor offences, perhaps it might deter other types of crime.

Yep, 14 is a bit young Mashman.

[Scuba_Steve]

So if you can't get a job that's tough shit? and if everyone does decide to get a job, how will you deal with hyperinflation?

You are full of questions ain't you...
no like mentioned there will be community jobs I hope to have high turnovers in so places will be available for people which need them. As for everyone getting a job? I don't see it happening

What's a fair share in regards to taxation? Will you keep a similar taxation system to the one we currently have?

will be worked through but at current the top end & company will be brought inline (dropped) with each other & the rest will remain

As the market will set the price for anything not owned by the "govt" how will you stop price increases based on company's deciding that people have more disposable income? In regards to Infrastructure, does that mean the "govt" will employ the most of the builders/tradesmen in NZ? If so how will you pay for them?

If need be the Govt will compete, and no builders/tradesmen will remain private however roading, garbage, sewage etc will be brought in-house

How would you counteract any sanctions that the UN and/or the WTO impose on NZ? Not saying they will, but I can't see them lying down for that one.

Yea US throwing their weight around could be a threat, but 1stly it'll have to be crossed if we get to it, 2ndly chances are it wouldn't be as bigger problem as it once was. China isn't the sort of country to listen to the US so we'd probably still have trade there & after all they make the world now & have a large population to export to (but we did just sell them a large chunk of that market)

It'd be fun watching the public decide how much someone gets paid and for some reason I don't think many people will be earning more than minimum wage What will you do to stop people heading off overseas?

nothing you wanna leave, leave. I'm relying on improving things here & giving people the control so it becomes their own country, a place they want to live, a place they couldn't imagine leaving.

Who will be responsible for the amount of $ available in the country? Who will be responsible for "printing" our money?

If we're trading with the world we're kinda stuck with current ain't we? tho it might be worth trying to partner with OZ so we keep our individual money but it becomes legal tender & worth the same in both countries.

you said something about giving the country back to the original people blah blah blah

Nope I said hand NZ over to the people not original

I'm only semi-serious Scube, you've got a lot of guts posting this on KB.

Well we have so many diff types on here I thought it a good place to get "real world" reaction

Where is the return of the town hall stocks?
Minor offences = into the stocks for some public humiliation & rotten fruit.

could happen

[mashman]

For those on the dole that you want to do community work, how's about setting a limit on the amount of hours that are to be worked? max 20 hours gives you an extra hundy in "benefit"? Reckon that could encourage them to spend half a day doing community work?

[placidfemme]

You just have to be a NZ citizen. We are all immigrants, as long as your choosing the greatest county in the world as yours why should you not get a say??? NZ residents however will be unable to vote they still choose another country as theirs & simply reside here. It is the equivalent of renters vs owners if you will

I think this statement is incorrect, many Residents are simply waiting for the 5 year time frame to pass to apply for citizenship, the majority of them actually want to live here, and if they could simply say "I want to be a citizen, NOW" then your above theory could have a degree of truth, but otherwise, not. All you will do by this is increase the rate of potential citizens not voting for you once they are citizens. Kind of dumb I reckon. I know more non-citizens that voted in the last election than citizens, you need to remember some people have a real desire to live in NZ, be honest and hard working, and taking the right for them to help mould the country they choose to live in and help progress is not right IMO.

Rather, look at the stats, look at the groups from certain countries who come in here (and get in) simply because they have a lot of money, not because they have skills to contribute towards a better NZ, look at the groups who choose to not intergrate into the NZ way of life/culture, and make immigration standards harder for those sorts of people to get in, restrict the amount of people that can "BUY" entry into NZ, make the entry system work for ALL immigrants in a fair manner. By doing so you could somewhat eliminate those undesired persons who do not contribute and also to certain degree I am sure, by limiting some aspects of immigration you give NZ'ers a slightly higher chance to get jobs, not having to fight with immigrants who do cheap work, a flooded market for minimum wage (seasonal pickers, call center operators, dairy farm workers etc).

I don't believe for one minute that anyone "cannot" find work. Everyday new jobs are in the papers and online job sites, it is simply a case of restricting the access to WINZ, why should some people work when they simply do not have to? It simply comes down to how determined you are, I once worked 4 jobs, 7 days a week, if I can find 4 jobs, how can someone not find one? Swallow your pride, work at McD's or Countdown, whatever, if you try you can only build upwards from there.

Rant over...

Oh by the way, I like the sound of your party somewhat

[paturoa]

My main platform will be to make NZ a democracy (don't try spouting shit about "we're all ready a democracy". That's bullshit, we're not!)

......

But here's what I'd plan -...

What is your policy for when the majority (democrazy!) don't agree with your ideas / policies?

[Scuba_Steve]

I think this statement is incorrect, many Residents are simply waiting for the 5 year time frame to pass to apply for citizenship, the majority of them actually want to live here, and if they could simply say "I want to be a citizen, NOW" then your above theory could have a degree of truth, but otherwise, not. All you will do by this is increase the rate of potential citizens not voting for you once they are citizens. Kind of dumb I reckon. I know more non-citizens that voted in the last election than citizens, you need to remember some people have a real desire to live in NZ, be honest and hard working, and taking the right for them to help mould the country they choose to live in and help progress is not right IMO.

I know what ya mean & I will say no one said the requirements would remain the same as current & the "buy in" would definitely be scraped (it's those sort of people who destroy the country), everyone will be equal in their attempt to become NZers
But there does need to be a separation between those residing (renting) & those whom make this country their own (buying) & thus only citizens would have the vote as they have committed to living here & making this country their own but like I said the process would be looked into & changed

What is your policy for when the majority (democrazy!) don't agree with your ideas / policies?

Nothing! 3rd year NZ will be handed to New Zealanders, I will be one of them but no 1 person, party or corporation will have dictatorship over NZ like now. We would finally have democracy, New Zealand would be owned & operated by New Zealanders every single (eligible) one of them.

[paturoa]

I'm lost, how do the laws et al get changed after year 3?

Does this democrazy extend right down to policy level?

[scissorhands]

free motorbike riding in schools, fuck yeah

[Swoop]

They haven't been "corrupted" at that point in their life and will likely cast the more "honest" votes... much more preferential than the bunch of fools that currently "vote".

A 14 yr old is more concerned with the drivel that is on Shortarse St or Gnome & Away.
"Corrupted"? The only corruption they suffer is from their parents and they will vote how their parents vote. The cognitive functions are lacking in the majority of that age group.
We have often commented on the need for a "licence to vote" due to intelligence. If you truly belive that a bunch of 14yr olds are "much more preferential than the bunch of fools that currently "vote"" you are proving yourself to be a bigger idiot than what I had previously considered you as.

[mashman]

A 14 yr old is more concerned with the drivel that is on Shortarse St or Gnome & Away.
"Corrupted"? The only corruption they suffer is from their parents and they will vote how their parents vote. The cognitive functions are lacking in the majority of that age group.
We have often commented on the need for a "licence to vote" due to intelligence. If you truly belive that a bunch of 14yr olds are "much more preferential than the bunch of fools that currently "vote"" you are proving yourself to be a bigger idiot than what I had previously considered you as.

I'm glad the growd ups don't watch short arse or gnone & away, oh, hang on...
Why bother sending them to school if they can't learn anything new? Go on then, I'm really curious about this one, how do you measure intelligence let alone gauge whether a person has enough common sense to vote for which policies they would prefer, plenty of dumb fucks, read lacking cognitive function, out there that vote sensibly, but I suppose they must all vote Maori/Mana/NZ First/Green etc... eh? To that end I see no difference between you or a 14 year old, other than you will have different reasons for voting... and as kids will just vote because of the way their parents vote (into adulthood too I bet) bwaaaaa ha ah aha aaaaaaaaaaa why not let them vote at a younger age then? other than that you seem to be saying that when they turn into adults that they vote the same way as their parents did? or do their priorities change and you'd then lump them in with the flop flop voters? Pretty poor for someone as intelligent as yourself... but I've come to expect that of society's sheeple.

My idiocy knows no bounds but if the above is the best you intelligent folk have for not letting them vote, then I'm bitterly disappointed with your exceptionally flawed "logic".

Edit: there's a thread dedicated to the subject, perhaps you'd like to flog a dead horse in there... this thread is for out future leader

[Scuba_Steve]

I'm lost, how do the laws et al get changed after year 3?

Does this democrazy extend right down to policy level?

Laws (anything affecting NZ) will be decided upon by NZ.
Things like tax will be trial'd, if my idealistic vision works & people understand the need this could potentially be left to NZ too, however this maybe too idealistic? & definitely to start this will still be the reign of parliament tho the people will have full transparency & know exactly whats happening & why

[Genestho]

SS. It looks like you're trolling and I'm far too sensible at times.

One more question before I retire from this thread.

With the amount of concern and work you propose to place upon yourself based on what you think 'we the people' or you, want - Have you ever bothered to get informed of the Bills or Acts currently in Parliament.

Have you ever watched what's coming next.
Have you ever followed a Bill from beginning to end, submitted your views at each stage and then followed through to select committee.

-I don't mean spending a second clicking an online petition with someone else's understanding on a Bill, heading it.
-I don't mean reading a news paper with cherry picked information and comments taken out of context with the flashy headlines.
-I don't mean going to a protest with a placard and chanting, I mean actually informing yourself.
EDIT - or writing on an internet forum in any form.

You might say democracy is BS here, I disagree.
I've seen it in action and it works if enough people bother to make the effort and follow through, yes it's a lot of work but far far less than what you think you could achieve, it also helps you grasp fact vs what somebody else says.

IMO you can't say democracy is BS, without actually using the system that allows us to have our say..
We have a system in place open to anyone that I've been shocked to see not many if any seem to use, which I believe to be to our detriment.

People say the Govt doesn't listen - well, what can they do if people don't bother to write their views where they'll be seen and paper-trailed.

The clanger is, you don't even have to be educated to do so.


So, have you ever..? If so: What. If not, why not?