Fast-food outlet expansion sparks alarm

[scissorhands]

If the government are the parents, what does that make the high court because it just told mum and dad off? http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/farm...overnment-told

The conscience?

[HenryDorsetCase]

Quantum physics and junk food advancing humanity. Nice but hmmmm bit simplistic... I think of this often actually, thanks for wording it. It only advances society if eaters learn by their mistakes... is that happening?
Holy fat intake batman!

we are only as strong as our weakest link...
so its not just the poor who suffer a junk food society
its all of us paying for bad food choices of others
the childrens DNA quality gets screwed
the family jewels of our poorer neighbours are lost to corporate greed
the farmer plants a bad seed that grows into a sick forest

OK, instead of tweeting platitudes please demonstrate:

a link between how fast food intake affects childrens DNA. I though that we had DNA when we were born, and it doesnt change accordign to diet? or do you mean intergenerational?

I dont mean to pick on you all the time, but honestly, you make it fairly easy.

[HenryDorsetCase]

The conscience?

in a better world, perhaps.

[Scuba_Steve]

I'm being facetious (Ed).

Who else would you blame for a junk food nation? The drongos in front of the telly? Everyone knows gubbermint is run by corporates

Your logic blames young kids for being fat. I maintain my position of government responsibility being poor

If they're adults I blame them, if they're kids I blame the parents, & if the parents can't afford other food I blame the "health" crazies as they're the ones that have pushed this other food out of affordability by making it a "profitable trend".
The Govt has no part in this other than maybee to tell the "heath" crazies to STFU & stop driving prices up.

I grew up buying decent amounts of lollies each week, pretty much always had Ice cream & fizzy in the fridge/freezer, had fish 'n chips twice a week, always butter never marge, there was dripping, bacon, eggs, milk, bread & lots of raro... I ate more than most & everything about my diet was pretty much "wrong" according to the "health" crazies & yet never packed on the weight. Oh sugar cones was always a favourite of mine too, an ice-cream cone filled with sugar mmm...

My sheep on the other hand eat nothing but "healthy" constantly eating greens & they're packing on the weight

[scissorhands]

Scientific links to DNA deterioration? meh

This is why I hate starting threads.. always have to defend your position to everyone esp smart asses with brains

From the bible will do: the sins of the father are visited upon the son.

Other than that, you win. I am wrong and you are right, carry on good sir.

[Zedder]

Government does actually have some culpability, they create/allow the environment for overseas companies like this to set up in.

They're probably only interested in the revenue from tax after carrying out the risk/benefit analysis of income versus downstream health issues for example.

[FJRider]

Government does actually have some culpability, they create/allow the environment for overseas companies like this to set up in.

They're probably only interested in the revenue from tax after carrying out the risk/benefit analysis of income versus downstream health issues for example.

Not to mention the GST on all sales ... how many bites at the cherry do they need ... ???

[Tigadee]

If you think fast food places provide unhealthy food you should look at the food at a 'normal' restaurant. A Maccas burger is healthy in comparsion, OK don't eat the chips and the fizzy, the fizzy is cheaper at the supermarket anyhow. And talking about supermarkets and what is available there. Bring back the green grocer

Yeah, I always leave out the fizzy.

but would we? not frigging likely or we wouldn't have a lower socio-economic group in the first place. Too close to sharing the wealth which equals communism for many.

Then why are we so fascinated by Robin Hood that there have been so many movies and TV series made about him with the same plot...?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ing_Robin_Hood

..and you know what they say about assumptions, right?

You assume correctly that I know, sir...

[Zedder]

Not to mention the GST on all sales ... how many bites at the cherry do they need ... ???

Ummm FJR, GST is a tax.....

[FJRider]

Ummm FJR, GST is a tax.....

I know ... on each sale.

GST-PAYE ... are just a few in the great scheme of things

[oneofsix]

Government does actually have some culpability, they create/allow the environment for overseas companies like this to set up in.

They're probably only interested in the revenue from tax after carrying out the risk/benefit analysis of income versus downstream health issues for example.

you were taking the piss about the risk/benefit analysis right? That is the sort of thing the old government departments did because they had a long term career and therefore a long term interest but modern "public servants" only have a job and the "government" only has a 3 year term. And don't forget the pressure on the MPs from those caring cuddly Americans that own the "multi-national" fast food providers, their future positions at the UN etc could be jeopardised by considering any risks.

[Paul in NZ]

Hmmmm..... Look I 'can' see both sides of the argument but I fall firmly on the side of personal responsibility. My body is now totally rooted (for various reasons) and I'm so restricted on what I can eat now its almost hilarious so I'm no fan of fast food outlets. They have nothing I need or can eat. However I can't for the life of me really blame these guys for societies ills. Yeah it seems a sad world when a takeaway meal is seemingly cheaper than a home cooked one but that comes down to lazy people not being able to look after themselves properly (ie they can't shop and can't cook).

But thats just part of the problem.

Mainly people are LAZY. Too lazy to shop, too lazy to cook, too lazy to exercise and even though they know full well the consequences of what they are doing to themselves they do it anyway and expect me to pay to fix them. I've visited people on dialysis and seen people plugged into the machine and eating KFC (smuggled in by their support relation) to make them feel better ffs....

You can't fix stupid....

Its about time we introduced a social WoF system. Citizens contribute (through tax etc) to out support systems but have an obligation to keep themselves healthy where possible to avoid excess drain on these systems. The more you contribute and the less you use the more you are entitled to when you do need it. People who don't contribute and are heavy users get minimal support and the option to educate themselves / improve their outcomes.

In an ideal world 2/3 of the fast food joints would go bust from a lack of business and healthy takeaways grow.

[Zedder]

I know ... on each sale.

GST-PAYE ... are just a few in the great scheme of things

What they do that as well? The thieving bastards!

[oneofsix]

Paul in NZ; I enjoy my body being totally rooted. you didn't mean it that way.

Where you find these so call healthy takeaways?

What is defined as healthy? What's healthy for me stuck behind this frigging desk is not what is healthy for the guy burning 5k+ cals/day. The professions in the healthy eating related fields can't even agree on what is healthy, a couple of year ago, and even today, some would have us eating trans-fats in pref to natural fats.

[Zedder]

you were taking the piss about the risk/benefit analysis right? That is the sort of thing the old government departments did because they had a long term career and therefore a long term interest but modern "public servants" only have a job and the "government" only has a 3 year term. And don't forget the pressure on the MPs from those caring cuddly Americans that own the "multi-national" fast food providers, their future positions at the UN etc could be jeopardised by considering any risks.

Me take the piss OO6? I'm deeply hurt.

Don't however confuse risk/benefit analysis with cost/benefit analysis. And yes Government do both.